Done With Aircare Forever

[jim martin]

thats it today at 10.53 am the ''WOK' vancouvers fastest legally aircared vw has flown through once again.
which now allowed me to complete the last step .
so next time you see the 'WOK' it will be wearing its new
MODIFIED COLLECTOR plate.

max allowed -------veh reading
...DRIVING.
..885 ppm HC....161.00 PPM HC
..8.80%CO................2.09%CO
....IDLE..
..1020 ppm HC......260 ppm HC
..5.28  % CO............1.88% CO
 

[josh]

what's the low down on the mod collector plates? do you have to jump through a bunch of hoops or is it just a straight application? is there a waiting period?

[Rob DVKK]

Damn... I still have to pass and get my inspection. Were those the original numbers for the car or did they give you a different set based onthe modified collector?





ps. thanks for the help last night.

[surgerypending]

Awsome Jim!
What was involved in getting modified collector status? What are the limitations...eg annual maximum milage etc?

[jim martin]

Damn... I still have to pass and get my inspection. Were those the original numbers for the car or did they give you a different set based onthe modified collector?





ps. thanks for the help last night.

rob , as soon as your car is accepted as a modified collector they will set the cutpoints based on weight and eng displacement.
take a look at what they are allowing ,if anyones car failed either the idle or driving test  , the motor and state of tune need help.
i will have to look at my readings from last year and compare for fun as this year i was not worried at all. all i did was set idle co and drove 5 min to aircare .from past experiance i new it would run fine and pass on my jetting.
even with these readings it will still pass with better readings than a stock 1600 cc

when its time for aircare i will help set you up

glad i was able to help get you back on the road.
talk soon

[AlanU]

nice job!!!

[Tom H.]

sure glad i don't have to deal with

\"aircare\"

 



you guys have it tuff

[KOOL-AID MAN]

Good stuff, Aircare sucks! Was it tough to get the plates? I thought to get a modified collector plate your vehicle had to be 1958 or older?  

[James Buchan]

Yup regi'd 58 or older....

[Bruce]

I think it is 57 and older.

[AirCooledRules]

Yes unfortunetly 1957 or older. But oh well,  Even With regular collector plates you are allowed some modification as long as its period correct or a safety improvement. Like better lighting or disk brakes.

congrats on the collector status, im going to try and get 2 of my vehicles through this year.

[jim martin]

the info on the icbc website is the best place to start.
for me i needed 4 forms but for 99.9 % of you .you already have a vehicle with a vin on it and registration papers.so you save yourself some steps.
as far as limits with MODIFIED COLLECTOR PLATES,very simple.you need to have another vehicle fully insured and no to and from school or work.
ICBChas finally realised that the people owning these types of cars have put allot of time and effort into making these older cars unique and also realise that the time spent driving on the streets is very little due to traffic,weather etc etc.
so your car needs to be a pre 1958 with either body or driveline modifications.
you need 2 forms which are downloadable
the first is a mv1437,this is the application to register a modified vehicle .with this form you need to attach a copy of the passed motor vehicle inspection and the needed photos.then once this is passed your vehicle registration will now be changed to modified/altered and next time you aircare you will run with the new cutpoints set out by your engine displacement !!,these numbers are very  very  very fair and if your car cannot pass it need serious help.
once you have word you send in a mv1426 ,application for authorisation for modified collector vehicle status.again this form needs your photos and aircare report and if accepted they will issue you modified collector plates.

if anyone is serious about this call me and i will give you a exact path of order of what to do and how to do it ,it is very easy but alittle frustrating but with the right guidance it will be a snap.as there is many steps and points i have left out as typing them would take all night and 3 min on the phone is all thats needed.

[surgerypending]

Thats good information.....I'll be looking into this for my car. From the information you have given the only problem I see for me is that I have a company car.....and have not insured a car of my own for the past 4 years.  I'll have to my work to supply a some sort of letter....maybe that will work.
Thanks
Gerry

[James Buchan]

Just to clarify it IS 1958 and older as Jim and I stated.

[Russ]

thats it today at 10.53 am the ''WOK' vancouvers fastest legally aircared vw has flown through once again.
which now allowed me to complete the last step .
so next time you see the 'WOK' it will be wearing its new
MODIFIED COLLECTOR plate.

max allowed -------veh reading
...DRIVING.
..885 ppm HC....161.00 PPM HC
..8.80%CO................2.09%CO
....IDLE..
..1020 ppm HC......260 ppm HC
..5.28  % CO............1.88% CO
 

well just passed aircare in the 55.
when i have it completed i will send all the paper work to get started on my modified colletor plates as well:)

[surgerypending]

Thats good new Russ! Let everyone know how the process of applying for modified collectors status goes. The lady at the insurance place down the street from me says I have to come to an agreed value of the car with ICBC personel and pay extra for that coverage....I guess key word here is {agreed value}!
Any tips on getting the car past aircare? I have to run my car tru in a few weeks before I swap out the new motor.
Gerry

[Russ]

Any tips on getting the car past aircare? I have to run my car tru in a few weeks before I swap out the new motor.
Gerry

i'll let you know how it goes as for aplying for the collector plates.
should not be too big of a deal but well see i guess.
as for aircare i have a smaller engine than most (2007 with 45 dells) the numbers were pretty good just needed to adjust the idle mixture screws a bit.even at that it was quite close but it passed

[Bubba]

Thats good information.....I'll be looking into this for my car. From the information you have given the only problem I see for me is that I have a company car.....and have not insured a car of my own for the past 4 years.  I'll have to my work to supply a some sort of letter....maybe that will work.
Thanks
Gerry

You will have to have another vehicle insured in your name in order to qualify for collector plates, modified or otherwise.

[Russ]

Thats good information.....I'll be looking into this for my car. From the information you have given the only problem I see for me is that I have a company car.....and have not insured a car of my own for the past 4 years.  I'll have to my work to supply a some sort of letter....maybe that will work.
Thanks
Gerry

You will have to have another vehicle insured in your name in order to qualify for collector plates, modified or otherwise.

yes i have read the paper work.
should be straight forward.

[Russ]

Thats good new Russ! Let everyone know how the process of applying for modified collectors status goes. The lady at the insurance place down the street from me says I have to come to an agreed value of the car with ICBC personel and pay extra for that coverage....I guess key word here is {agreed value}!
Any tips on getting the car past aircare? I have to run my car tru in a few weeks before I swap out the new motor.
Gerry

well it was pretty simple pick up the forms,take the required pics they want.have an aircare certficate(passed) and a vehicale inspection done.
send pics,aircare slip and inspection papers in and wait.took about 4 weeks and i just got the papers back saying i can go get my plates.
i am going to let my insurance run out (another 3 weeks then get the plates)
as for value it does ask for an agreed value i put what i thought was fair,they agreed to that value.with that being said if anything were to happen you would still have to prove that it is worth that value (they just agree it's close from what i gather)
we have had an apprasial done on the car and the value was with in 500.00 of what i listed the value at.
all in all it was not too bad at all.

[jim martin]

just so everyone is aware of this ,the limit of $40.000 is set and after that you need a appraisal and pay more per $1000.00 over that amount for insurance .
note :when you are at insurance office and are filling out the insurance paperwork they will ask about the decaired value of your car .if you declair your vehicle at $40.000.00 or more or less than that amount,you have to pay the tax on that declaired  amount .this is where it gets tricky .so say you have a $40.000.00 car and don't want to pay the tax on that amount and declair its value at  $1000.00 and pay the tax on that amount,you will never get more than that if the worst happens .just remember that.

[Bruce]

.so say you have a $40.000.00 car and don't want to pay the tax on that amount and declair its value at  $1000.00 and pay the tax on that amount,you will never get more than that if the worst happens.

Clarification:
This applies to a finished car you buy.  If you bought an unrestored project car like Russ did, you pay tax based on what you paid.  You don't pay sales tax on all your own work or the parts after the car is done.

[Russ]

.so say you have a $40.000.00 car and don't want to pay the tax on that amount and declair its value at  $1000.00 and pay the tax on that amount,you will never get more than that if the worst happens.

Clarification:
This applies to a finished car you buy.  If you bought an unrestored project car like Russ did, you pay tax based on what you paid.  You don't pay sales tax on all your own work or the parts after the car is done.

ya what he said

[jim martin]

 you guys are looking at it as a way for cheap insurance or something .this is not the case.this is modified collectors a way to insure a modified car for street use and get fair insurance based on the declaired  value.it doesnt matter if the car is bought as a roller or a project and you finnish it.you set what the value is worth .you could of got a hell of a deal on the roller due to a fire  sale and paid 10 cents on the dollar.
so  go ahead  buy a car for a grand and put 20 k into it and declare the value at time of registartion as
1 k .
like i said when the worst happens you will get a grand as thats what you declared its value as and based your insurance on that amount.this is how it was explaind to me quite a few times .

[josh]

I paid taxes on  5 grand for my old 57.................................let's just say that's not what I got when I shmucked it up but I was very lucky to get the ICBC apraiser I did:o

[Bruce]

you guys are looking at it as a way for cheap insurance or something .this is not the case.this is modified collectors a way to insure a modified car for street use and get fair insurance based on the declaired  value.it doesnt matter if the car is bought as a roller or a project and you finnish it.you set what the value is worth .you could of got a hell of a deal on the roller due to a fire  sale and paid 10 cents on the dollar.
so  go ahead  buy a car for a grand and put 20 k into it and declare the value at time of registartion as
1 k .
like i said when the worst happens you will get a grand as thats what you declared its value as and based your insurance on that amount.this is how it was explaind to me quite a few times .

Jim, you aren't understanding what I was saying.  If we use Russ' car as an example, he probably registered the car when he first got the car, many years ago.  He's obligated to pay tax based on it's value (what he paid for it) at that time.  Now move forward to today when he wants to put declared value insurance on it.  He can put it's value at $20k (or any other number) and he doesn't have to pay tax on $20k.  It's because you don't have to pay tax on your own labour, and Russ paid tax on all the parts that went into it.

I think you are thinking of the flip scenario.  A guy buys a fully restored car and pays $20k for it.  However, he's too cheap to pay the tax on $20k, so he writes the value at $2k and pays tax on that.  A week later, he puts declared value insurance on it for $20k.  In this case, if the car is stolen or burned, you're gonna get $2k.

[67VERT]

Both Bruce and Jim are correct in there cases. We have a buch of collector/modified cars  where I live and most of the owners are filling in the agreed declared value form from ICBC. This is were ICBC sets a declared value and a private appraiser will set a declared value of the car. If this is not done and the car gets smucked then you have to prove to ICBC the declared value that you have set on the car.

Jake

[steveo_32]

Is there not a issue with the fact that once you declare it as a "modified status" you can never change the classification ever again ie "Collector" "Vintage" ect. I just heard that somewhere, could be totally wrong. Its like a re-built status you permanently changing the status of the car.

[AirCooledRules]

I don't think thats right. When i purchased a 1973 BMW 2002 it was registered with collector plates and if i wanted to re-register it with collector plates i would have to go through the whole picture/aircare/inspection process again.

So the status does not stick.

One thing i am curious about is, what if you have 2 cars and 1 happens to be insured under collector plates, what if you sold your first car?

[Bruce]

I don't think thats right. When i purchased a 1973 BMW 2002 it was registered with collector plates and if i wanted to re-register it with collector plates i would have to go through the whole picture/aircare/inspection process again.

So the status does not stick.

I've known guys who bought cars with collector plates, and ICBC just issues new collector plates without the application process, so it can stick.

One thing i am curious about is, what if you have 2 cars and 1 happens to be insured under collector plates, what if you sold your first car?

  The instant you sell your daily driver, your insurance on the collector car is invalid.  This has already been contested in court.  The guy lost, big time.