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Offline blarneyman

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« on: July 27, 2006, 05:12:09 PM »
I saw a bug in Bellingham with the front beam turned around so the trailing arms are going forward (for the street rod look). Would this pose safety problems in steering and stress on the arms?
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 06:04:00 PM »
Yup you bet!

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 06:53:12 PM »
Flipping the trailing arms reverses the ackerman angle and causes all kinds of steering/safety issues. Head over to the volksrods.com forums and search \"flipped beam\" and \"ackerman\" and you will see why. As far as i know, no one has pulled it off safely yet and with really nicely done beam extenders available for under $300 US all the r & d time and effort just isn't worth it. Or you can do what Geoff did and fab up your own drop axle mount out of junk yard parts that are fairly easy to find and not terribly expensive. If it's the fab work you are trying to avoid, buy an 8 or 10 inch extension and be safe. You can find them on the home page at Volksrods.com. This might sound like I'm trying to be the Volksrods salesman but I assure you I gain nothing if you do decide to take that route. I'd just rather see you safe than dead. Here's a LINK to the beam extenders.


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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 06:55:59 PM »
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I saw a bug in Bellingham with the front beam turned around so the trailing arms are going forward....
that is just so wrong on so many different levels.

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 07:55:56 PM »
Theoretically (sp?) the suspension should work just as normal. It's the steering that is the big issue. Also, having the tie rods out front is just begging for huge (read - UNSAFE!) amounts of bumpsteer. I'll see if I can explain it using pictures. This is a drop axle setup but the principle is the same.

Fig. 1




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In both diagrams Green = kingpin, Blue = tie rod end, Yellow = Ackerman angle (or at least the line that creates it)

Basically the ackerman angle is created by drawing a line through the kingpin center and tie rod end center. When you do this on both sides of the car the line should intersect ideally at the center of the rear axle. As you can see in figure 2, with the trailing arms flipped the tie rod end would be ahead and inside of the kingpin causing the ackerman angle to intersect somewhere way out in front of the car. Knowing what the ackerman angle does would probably be some help here.  It causes the inside tire in a turn to turn at a smaller radius than the outside tire. If they both turned on the same radius the inside tire would scrub or push making turning very difficult. Flipping the trailing arms effectively reverses this process causing the inside tire to turn at a bigger radius than the outside tire. So if in a panic situation, you were to turn the steering wheel quickly, the car would just slide in the direction you are travelling.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2006, 10:12:58 PM »
Thanks for the info, that was very helpful. I wasn't going to do this (at least not without checking it out first). When I get a chance I'll post a pic of the car I'm talking about. My daughter took the pic but you can see the shock tower leaning forward instead of back.

As far as buying a beam extender.... I'm designing one right now. I'm using the same principle as the ones you can get through Volksrod. I can't find anyone that makes one for a T3 :blush: Yes, I did say T3 ;) How about a chopped squareback street rod. Anyone game on that one? :rockon:

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2006, 10:47:59 PM »
Chopped.... definately!  :rockon: Extended front end.... I don't see it working very well visually. Unless you are going for the altered wheelbase gasser look which could turn out pretty slick!




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