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Matt

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« on: May 01, 2006, 05:49:12 PM »
What are the effects on a structure that used to be a grow-op?? One of the properties I'm looking at used to be a grow-op but it has passed the post grow-op inspection. Should I stay away from this?

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 05:55:56 PM »
Matt its a tough call, one of my friends has a house in the wack and he rented it out and it was turned into a grow op. The damage done consisted of a blown hot water tank, which was left unattended for almost 2 weeks to spew water out into the basement, and all the windows had to replaced either from being broken or the double glazing was shot. He has spent almost a year repairing all the damage.

Your biggest concern should be with the electrical. What exactly did they do to the electrical system.

Also depending on the time the house was a grow-op, you may have to deal with odor issues.  
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 06:13:37 PM »
chris makes some excellent points, especially regarding the electrical and the odor.

for some reason i keep thinking about mold issues. the extreme heat, watering and condensation could penetrate gyproc and perhaps damage insulation and carpets.

out of curiousity, what is involved in the post grow-op inspection?

and congrats to you matt for getting a place. i dont know if you own or rent now and i'm sure it seems like a pita to do all this house hunting, but it'll feel great when it's over.

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 06:19:57 PM »
I don't know all the details of the inspection yet, I haven't even looked inside the house yetcause I don't want to waste my time if it's something I should pass up.

As for feeling great when it's over, I'm running out of time fast, I've sold this place but have nowhere to go. Can you say Panic stage??

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2006, 06:22:22 PM »
My biggest concern would be for future issues IE: people still thinking it is a grow -op breaking in and stuff but that is just paranoid me  :blink:  

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2006, 06:24:21 PM »
that there is a very good point. I never even thought of that one.

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2006, 06:26:12 PM »
i lived in a place that was a gro-op before i got there... really no problems at all. its probably different for every one, i wouldnt fully give up on it though, my place was fine... ?
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2006, 06:55:22 PM »
Mold growing in the walls from the condensation is a huge factor. If you or Jen have any kind of allergies this may haunt you for years until every last bit of it is found and dealt with.  Check the attics for mold growing on the roof sheeting, This is the easiest to get to, through the attic access.  The attic is the best ventilated area, if there is mold there it will be in the walls 10 times worse  Make sure to note if there are roof vents for attic ventilation.  3 or more roof vents and mold in the attic means be prepared for some huge bills.  Usually there are holes though walls everywhere for piping that was run,  which requires drywall patches.  Electrical circuits should all be tested with a tester since most of the time they are re-wired to accomodate the grow-op set-up.   If the house was just re-painted and it smells like new paint, hopefully who-ever painted it used oil primer to seal the smells in, if not and they used latex, once the paint smell is over you may catch wiffs of weed since latex primer is permiable, and oil is not.  Same goes for the floor.  New carpet on cleaned floors means new carpet smell until that wears off, then it is the weed smell.  The floors should also be oil primed to keep any smells in before carpet is installed.

Change the door locks and get a big dog....for the people who don't know the house has a different owner.  

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2006, 07:17:12 PM »
Matt... CALL ME

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2006, 07:22:35 PM »
I assume the fact that it has been a grow op will be a permanent record.  Then when you want to sell in the future , buyers will be as nervous as you are now.  Better get it way below market value because that's probably what you'll get for it when you sell. \" Land value only\" would be my offer.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2006, 07:43:23 PM »
Dood, stay away from it. There are going to be so many issues you may not be able to see, Don't settle Matt. This could potentially make you house poor....
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2006, 07:57:57 PM »
Check into insurance, I was going to buy one a year and a half ago (Its still for sale by the way, after a year and a half!!!!)
COST MORE FOR INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!
Only if it is a disclosed location which it sounds like it is!

Some poeple find they are worth it, but I looked around for three months and thought about buying them alot, (Maple Ridge area Lots and lots of them) in the end never could, Other poeple I know that have bought them Are in a bind when they try to sell,  they are always lowballed!!!
 

If you do decide that you want it, Make sure you get some damb good inspectors!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2006, 09:15:41 PM »
Matt,

I'm an electrician and have been called in to repair/rewire several Grow-ops in the past.  That smell is hard to get rid of.  Think of it like an oil spill.  the electrical work that is typically done in them is very hard on the equipment already in place.  Breakers, panel main buss and every plug in the house would have to be checked properly to insure safe operation.  For the most part they usually have bypassed the meter in some way or have reallocated the range, dryer, hot tub and what have you circuits to run lighting.  Then they oversize the breaker to those devices.  That's bad!!!  Great for the sort term but not for a house you want to live in or even worse raise a family in.   :blink:   There are products on the market that will kill surface growing mold and such.  Unfortuneatly once it's in the wall you are screwed.  

As far and insurance they speak the truth.  There may even be consequences when applying for a mortgage.  I know there are in this area.  Without seeing pictures of exactly what it looked like when it was busted..... I wouldn't touch it.  Much like a car that's been in a wreck.  It's one thing to make it pretty on the outside but if it doesn't have a frame under it you are gonna land on your ass!!!!
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2006, 10:16:30 PM »
My place was a grow op before we bought. My wife houses 10 cats in one of the back rooms (kind of a rescue kind of thing......don't ask) The smell of the grow op goes over the smell of 10 cats after a year and a half. Mowser had to do some fixing of the wiring as they decided to wire off the feed to one of the bedrooms instead of right from the box like they should. No big deal as it was only my kids room  :unsure:

My advice would be to hire Pillar to Post to go through it if you are serious about it. I have been very happy with their work. I have used them three times and have been relieved twice as the inspection meant me not buying the home in question.

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2006, 10:25:51 PM »
Matt

What seems like a good deal at the onset can turn into a nightmare from many of the problems that have  been pointed out already.  Obviously, it depends on the magnitude of the grow op but generally my advise is to stay away from it.    

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2006, 10:31:17 PM »
:(  Hesitation means.....No...stay away.... :ph34r:  

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2006, 11:52:37 PM »
2 words: STAY AWAY!
I don't care what anyone says, been there done that and there's no freakin' way you're gonna get the mould out of the drywall, framing, insulation and ducting. I'm taking building inspection at BCIT right now and I've even asked inspectors this question and they've said the same thing - DON'T DO IT! Personally, there's not a chance in hell I would even consider moving into a house that was a grow-op - again. You've got all sorts of money invested in something lagit - I wouldn't go the other way because it was a little cheaper. Dude, I'll even take you on a tour of a place I know of that used to be a grow op and it will make up your mind in a hurry.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2006, 12:01:59 AM »
matt ,.. your and jens saftey is most important ,.. even after you consider all the damage to the house , you still have to worry about ppl showing up at your door for dope/money/ or other ppl , you don't wanna sleep with one eye open at night .


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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2006, 07:54:16 AM »
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for some reason i keep thinking about mold issues. the extreme heat, watering and condensation could penetrate gyproc and perhaps damage insulation and carpets.
silas is bang on.

the electrical can be fixed through renovation, and holes in the walls can be patched up. but once the walls, carpets, insulation, structural components, etc. are exposed to spores, the house becomes a giant petrie dish for mold.

matt, most municipalities require some sort of inspection after a grow op is busted before the house can be considered habitable again. in the past year, some municipalities have REALLY beefed up the requirements in order for former grow op homes to pass. i highly suggest you call the municipality where the house is located and find out what their requirements are. some municipalities require industrial cleaners to revamp the entire place; some insist the fire department inspect the home from top to bottom with a fine-toothed comb at the owner's expense. PoCo, for example, requires industrial cleaning (at owner's expense) and FD inspections, after hearing about one case where a busted grow op was partially cleaned up, and the unknowing buyers decided to run a licensed daycare in the home once they moved in. little kids and spore-filled carpet do not mix -- nor do Matt, Jen and your four-legged babies.

municipalities that have such laws are proud of them, so if you call, they'll tell you all about them. those that don't won't know what you're talking about, and those are the ones to stear clear of because they look at inspections as part of the bureaucratic rubber-stamping process.

also, while i don't want to scare you, i'd also be very aware of the security features of the home. one of the saddest stories i've ever written was about a man who was shot at pointblank range at his own door because two punks attempting a grow-rip dropped in two years after the grow op formerly at his house was busted. a rare occurrence to be sure; but weird sh!t can happen in those places.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2006, 08:48:10 AM »
I know the lure of a cheap house in an overpriced  market is a big draw, but take everyone's advice and stay away if you can.  I know sometimes everything comes down to $$$.  Our first place when we got married I was 20, and we only could afford so much which meant 1 particular town house  in Abbotsford, there was no options, no choosing, nothing else remotely close,  there was only 1 delapitated place in a 5 month period which was close to what the bank would give, and we still had to borrow $20,000 from mom and dad beyond what the bank gave.  Parents from both sides put some $$ into it to fix it up abit for us just to live in it.  Sometimes there is no choice.  Hopefully for both of you there is a choice to stay away, and find something else.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2006, 11:27:47 AM »
Sorry but whats a grow up????

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2006, 12:22:27 PM »
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Sorry but whats a grow up????
a house specifically used for growing marajiuana.
they pretty much transform the house or part of one to an indoor greenhouse

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2006, 01:57:56 PM »
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Sorry but whats a grow up????

What happens here is that the guys who grow MJ will go out and rent a house.  Then instead of living in it, they transform the entire house into a green house to grow MJ.  They use lots of high power lights that overload the house's electrical system.  Usually the wiring system of the house is butchered to do this.  A common thing to do is bypass the power meter, not for fear of discovery by large consumption, but because they are cheap and don't want to pay a couple of extra hundred $.
The problem here is that most houses are built of wood frame.  Very little brick is used like in England.  The wood gets damp from all the water needed to grow the plants.  Then mould grows within the walls.  Once there's mould in the walls, the building is virtually ruined.
Many owners of these houses will now drop by unannounced to make sure there's no grow-op happening, because if it happens, your house is now worth tens or hundreds of thousands of $ less.

Dubbed a Grow Operation by the cops, it is now called a Grow-Op.

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2006, 04:31:57 PM »
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Sorry but whats a grow up????
Thats when a 40ish year old guy goes out and buys a VW bus behind his wife's back....the money was for the kids university fund :blink:  

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2006, 09:40:45 PM »
Thanks for everyones input. I'm glad my paranoia about that situation wasn't just me and my \"glass is half empty\" outlook. I took a wander around the house today, quite a large crawl space!! Brand new flooring thru-out, new paint, no appliances, but it just didn't feel right. Perhaps it's all in my mind but I kept thinking \"what's lurking behind that drywall\". There's no way I need to worry about that everyday in a house, I have enough to worry about now.

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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2006, 12:32:51 PM »
Good call Matt. Renting may suck but buying an ex-grow-op is way way worse.

Dozer bait indeed!!!!
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