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Offline hellgti

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« on: October 24, 2005, 11:06:58 AM »
so i've finaly found a car I'd like to buy.  the problem is, it's in Portland and is without papers.  i've contacted the owner to run the numbers and come up with something, but id he comes up empty or is simply too lazy, is there any way the car can be imported as salvage or as abandoned or as parts (or something along those lines).

any suggestions??  :wub:  

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 11:25:08 AM »
if he gives you a bill of sale you can bring it back as a parts car

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 11:29:50 AM »
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if he gives you a bill of sale you can bring it back as a parts car
has anyone actualy done this??


 

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2005, 11:48:28 AM »
Here is the actual law regarding used vehicle exports from the US. For those that have vehicles in Canada that were exported without a title or without any hassle from US Customs have probably gotten a Canadian Customs Officer that did not now the law very well (or just didn't care) Nothing wrong with that just lucky of the draw on who you get when you reach the border. Now with all US Regulations who responsibility is it to know these regulations? You the person making the export (ignorance is not an excuse when dealing with Federal Law) Believe me I get calls once a week on exporting a motor vehicle, I know what the law says and what is required so I can only give advice based on the law, the only out I can see is that one you take a chance and bring the vehicle up to the Canadian Border and tell them it's for parts and hope you get someone lets you through, two you see if the State of Oregon will give you a scrap or junk title for the car.

Exporting a Motor Vehicle
Exporting Used, Self-Propelled Vehicles

Interpretation and Application of 19 CFR Part 192
Section 192.1 Definitions
The following are general definitions for the purposes of CFR 192.2:

Certified. \"Certified\" when used with reference to copy means a document issued by an authorized government authority that includes on it a signed statement by the authority that the copy is an authentic copy of the original.


Copy. \"Copy\" refers to a duplicate or photocopy of an original document. When there is any writing on the backside of an original document, a \"complete copy\" means that both sides of the document are copied.


Export. \"Export\" refers to the transportation of merchandise out of the U.S. for the purpose of being entered into the commerce of a foreign country.


Self-Propelled Vehicle. \"Self-propelled\" vehicle includes any automobile, truck, tractor, bus, motorcycle, motor home, self-propelled agricultural machinery, self-propelled construction equipment, self-propelled special use equipment, and any other self-propelled vehicle used or designed for running on land but not rail.


Ultimate Purchaser. \"Ultimate Purchaser\" means the first person, other than a dealer purchasing in his capacity as a dealer, who in good faith purchases a self-propelled vehicle for purposes other than resale.


Used. \"Used\" refers to any self-propelled vehicle the equitable or legal title to which has been transferred by a manufacturer, distributor, or dealer to an ultimate purchaser.


Documentary Status
It is the responsibility of the reviewing inspector to ensure that an original certificate of title is presented as provided for in 19 CFR 192.2 (B). The certificate of title is the core requirement in the Customs export process, regardless of the vehicle's economic value, physical condition, or operating order.


Structure of the Regulations
Procedurally, all exporters or their agents who present a document to Customs are to begin at 19 CFR 192.2 (B) (1) and then progress through each subsection until the exporter arrives at the section and subsection(s) that apply to the vehicle that has been presented to Customs for export. This procedure ensures that no requirement is misinterpreted, misapplied, or circumvented by either the exporter or the reviewing Customs officer.


Section 192.2 Requirements for Exportation


Basic requirements
A person attempting to export a used self-propelled vehicle shall present to Customs, at the port of exportation, both the vehicle and the required documentation describing the vehicle to include the VIN or, if the vehicle does not have a VIN, the product identification number (PIN). Exportation of a vehicle will be permitted only upon compliance with these requirements, unless the vehicle was entered into the United States under an in-bond procedure, a carnet, a Temporary Importation Bond, or under a personal exemption for non-residents who entered the vehicle for a 1-year period.

Documentation required

For U.S. Titled Vehicles

Vehicles issued an original certificate of title. For used, self-propelled vehicles issued, by any jurisdiction in the United States, a Certificate of Title or a Salvage Title that remains in force, the owner must provide to Customs the original Certificate of Title or a Certified Copy of the Certificate of Title and two complete copies of the original Certificate of Title or the Certified Copy of the original.

Where title evidences third-party ownership/claims. If the used, self-propelled vehicle is leased or a recorded lien exists in the U.S., in addition to complying with paragraph (B)(1)(i) of this section, the provisional owner must provide to Customs a separate writing from the third-party-in interest which expressly provides that the subject vehicle may be exported. This writing must be on the third-party's letterhead paper and contain a complete description of the vehicle including the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), the name of the owner or lienholder of the leased vehicle, and the telephone numbers at which that owner or lienholder may be contacted and must bear an original signature of the third-party and state the date it was signed.

Where U.S. Government Employees are involved. If the used self-propelled vehicle is owned by a U. S. Government Employee and is being exported in conjunction with that employee's reassignment abroad pursuant to official travel orders, then, in lieu of complying with paragraph (B)(1)(i) of this section, the employee may be required to establish that he has complied with the sponsoring agency's internal travel department procedures for vehicle export.

For Foreign-Titled Vehicles
For used, self-propelled vehicles that are registered or titled abroad, the owner must provide to Customs the original document that provides satisfactory proof of ownership (with an English translation of the text if the original language is not in English), and two complete copies of that document (and translation, if necessary).

For Untitled Vehicles

Newly manufactured vehicles, issued a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (SO). For newly manufactured, self-propelled vehicles that are purchased from a U.S. manufacturer, distributor, or dealer that become used (see section 4.1) and are issued an SO, but not issued a certificate of title by any jurisdiction of the United States, the owner must provide to Customs at the time and place specified in this section, an original SO and two complete copies of the original SO.

Newly manufactured vehicles not issued an SO. For newly-manufactured, self-propelled vehicles purchased from a U.S. manufacturer, distributor, or dealer that become used (see section 4.1) and not issued an SO or a Certificate of Title by any jurisdiction of the United States, THE OWNER MUST ESTABLISH THAT THE JURISDICTION FROM WHERE THE VEHICLE COMES DOES NOT HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS REGARDING SUCH VEHICLES and provide to Customs, at the time and place specified in this section, an original document that proves ownership, such as a dealer's invoice, and two complete copies of such original documentation.

Vehicles issued a junk or scrap certificate. For vehicles for which a junk or scrap certificate, issued by any jurisdiction of the U. S., remains in force, the owner must provide to Customs the original certificate or a certified copy of the original document and two complete copies of the original document or certified copy of the original.

Vehicles issued a title or certificate that is not in force or are otherwise not registered. For vehicles that were issued, by any jurisdiction of the U.S., a title or certificate that is no longer in force, or that are not required to be titled or registered, and for which an SO was not issued, THE OWNER MUST ESTABLISH THAT THE JURISDICTION FROM WHERE THE VEHICLE COMES DOES NOT HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS REGARDING SUCH VEHICLES and provide to Customs the original document that shows the basis for ownership or right of possession, such as a bill of sale, and two complete copies of that original document. Further, the owner must certify in writing to Customs that the procurement of the vehicle was a bona fide transaction, and that the vehicle presented for export is not stolen.


When presented

Exportation by vessel or aircraft. For those vehicles exported by vessel or aircraft, the required documentation and the vehicle must be presented to Customs at least 72 hours prior to export.

Exportation at land border crossing points. For those vehicles exported by rail, highway, or under their own power.

The required documentation must be submitted to Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and

The vehicle must be presented to Customs at the time of exportation.

Where presented
Careful attention should be paid to 19 CFR 192.2 (d), \"Where presented.\" Port Directors will establish locations at which exporters must present the required documentation and the vehicles for inspection. Port Directors will publicize these locations, including their hours of operation.

Authentication of documentation
Customs will determine the authenticity of the documents submitted. Once determined, Customs will mark the original documents. In most cases the original document(s) will be returned to the exporter. In those cases where the original title document was presented to and retained by Customs and cannot be found prior to the vehicle's export, the exporter's authenticated copy of the original documentation serves as evidence of compliance with the reporting requirements.

 
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2005, 12:05:58 PM »
thanks for the info Shane.  i'm only interested in doing this by the book because, obviously, i don't want to have a cool car ready to cruse in, but am not able to legaly do so.  

if anyone who has LEGALY imported a car could post up their experiences, that would be swell.

i'm pretty sure I won't have a problem getting across with it as they've been seeing me at customs every week for the past 6 years.  they're usualy pretty patient with us \"regulars\".  B)  

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 12:07:18 PM »
Dan, i just brought back my new car but i brought it across as a parts car so i didnt have to deal with border headaches. I will be going down in a couple of weeks to bring back another car as well. Its super easy no probs
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2005, 12:12:54 PM »
Hey Hoosier,
 Great info... That clears up alot of questions ;)  
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2005, 12:15:38 PM »
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Dan, i just brought back my new car but i brought it across as a parts car so i didnt have to deal with border headaches. I will be going down in a couple of weeks to bring back another car as well. Its super easy no probs
hmm.....well, the car i'm interested in is original paint patina'd (thats why its taken so long to locate) and without an engine.  it could easily be parts car to anyone other than an enthusiast.  its just that i want to actualy drive it once it's got an engine and not have to swap pans or VIN's.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2005, 01:30:03 PM »
If you want to do it that way, you'll have to go through the waiting period to get it across with all the paperwork and such, pay the duties, then do the inspection before you can drive it. I am going to have my car inspected when im done so everything is new so i wont have a big headache with nitpicking. Im not too worried about how i insure it that will come later
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 09:24:18 AM »
if you brring the car up to canada as salvage, you will not be able to register the car, if you deal with a broker, 150 bucks , you can get a form one at us customs wich will enable you to register, parts car or not, you can however get a reciept that says a lower amount payed, that way it will not cost you,  

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2005, 01:53:57 PM »
You buy it or what?

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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2005, 03:48:55 PM »
still waiting on the title.  going to have a look this weekend though!!!