What is it about rice that makes people stupid......
Easy your talkin' about my staple diet
I would look at the age category of the people you label as ricers. Many are truly young and lack the knowledge. Many young newbies thinks boltons make significant HP. I know a fellow named Eli aka bluelight, he has the fast 12.6 second blue civic. I'd consider him one of the oldschool guys in the honda scene. He's an intelligent tuner not by any means ricer.
the acvw crowd is fortunate that we have great traction and the foundation to put it to the ground. Front wheel drive transaxles have a hell of a time applying the power. Some of the guys in the honda scene are truly making great power but lack the traction department so they are having a real hard time making fast time slips.
When I was at mission I think majority of them were in the high 14's and 15's. With some smart tuning they can be going faster. Along with tuning they also must invest alot of $$$$