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Offline Bruce

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A/f Ratio On The Dyno
« on: June 20, 2005, 01:46:41 AM »
Cale had some interesting observations about his A/F ratio while on the dyno on Sat.  Here's what he posted in the events forum.  I thought I'd bring it over here since it's a tech Q.

\"Did anyone else run the dyno with an in-car wide band unit?? reason i ask is because my tech edge wide band 02 that i THOUGHT was correct..was way out from what this dynos A/F readings were...
I tried to richen up my low range mixture for the drive home..and the car ran like crap and started stalling on me..and my wide band said i was at 10:1...wich makes me think that the unit they had in my car was not getting a proper reading..i dont think i possibly could have been 18:1 A/R
LOL if i was at 18:1 good think i did not get a chance to try a 20PSI pull  

thanks again..that was a good time!
Cale \"

When I was looking at Brian's and Fred's results I was very curious about how the probe was installed in the tail pipes.  Cale's observations proved what I suspected was happening.  Our tail pipes are usually so short that the probes they use don't insert very far.  Add to that, a lot of guys like to have a ricey 3\" tail pipe.  What happens is that during exhaust pulses, outside air will be drawn in the tail pipe.  This outside air dilutes the reading the exhaust analyzer gives out.  There's no way Cale's engine could be operating at boost with an 18:1 A/F ratio.  It would have pinged so bad everyone would have heard it.
Cale, go back to the carb settings you had with the readings from your wide band O2 sensor.  Those will be correct.
I have this problem every time I go into Aircare.  If they don't add a rubber extension tube on my tail pipes, the oxygen dilution is so bad the analyzer won't allow the cycle to even start.

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A/f Ratio On The Dyno
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2005, 08:22:47 AM »
Gotta thank Reversion for that one. I'd trust the wideband incar unit since the bung is usually at the collector or shortly after in the bend before the muffler.

The informative info you get out of that dyno sheet would be the indication of a good or bad torque curve and when you cam tops out at a specific rpm. That'll give you the info of where to shift at the track. Too bad they dont have a variety of probes to use on different make cars.

Too bad the gas analyser on that portable dyno didn't indictate C02 readings. That would have been a blunt  indicator of a serious \"sample of dilution\" problem.  They probably only have a wideband a/f meter so thats only good as longs as you can sample properly.

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2005, 06:10:35 PM »
i dont know how much \"revision\" i would see on the exhaust side of a turbine thats doing 100,000RPM but i could see that being a serious problem on a N/A motor

what i thought was that my short twisty tail pipe would not allow the sensor to be installed very far into the exhaust system..there is only a few inches and then turbine..

revision or not...the short tail pipe is to blame...only problem is now i gotta try and tune this damn CB injection back in..not as simple as swaping out jets..i should have it running right again..it just takes allot of guess work.

thanks
Cale