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« on: January 24, 2005, 09:31:57 AM »
Well, finally got to the point of puttin' on my rods with arp2000 bolts. Instructions says to torque to 39 ft/lbs., doesn

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 12:10:05 PM »
what brand of rods and what size is the bolts 5/16 or 3/8




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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 12:54:16 PM »
Rods are cb h-beam rods, bolts are ARP 2000 1.5\" x 5/16  with a 3/8 head.

looks like i'm getting conflicting information here.. The instructions on the CB box says to torque to 39ft/lbs. but on the arp site it says 58 ft/lbs.

i called around and mopac has a stretch guage in stock, going tomorrow to pick it up.

I still don't really understand the concept of these bolts not needing loc-tite.

Thanks Jim
 

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 03:49:43 PM »
always use the suppliers provided values.
you don't need a stretch guage ,just use a digital caliper .
39 ft/lbs is plenty for a 5/16 bolt.
---here is what you are looking for ,lets stick to rods as a example .as the crank is spinning around and the rods are being accelerated forward and backwards what happens is the 2 halfs want to seperate ,ie end cap from the rest of the rod.so the bolts holds them together.if there is not enough tension from the bolts to hold the 2 pieces together the halfs will seperate and come back together.this slapping action will break bolts quickly.so a proper amount of preload on the bolts is used that will applie enough tension to keep the parts firmly together to stop seperation .as you can see it is equally important to not over torque/stretch a bolt as it will fatigue  due to being over stretched and loose all its ability to applie tension.
so lubing the threads and bolt heads will simply cut down on friction when torquing the bolts so you will get a better and more accurate reading.no loctite is needed as the bolts are always under tension and will not slack off.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 02:16:11 AM »
and use the specified lube. The diff between the two torque values can be the lube, such as motor oil and ARP lube. I go with the rod manufacturer's recommendation.
     

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2005, 10:16:09 AM »
Thanks for the info Jim

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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2005, 02:04:33 PM »
If you don't want to buy a dedicated rod bolt micrometer, you can adapt a standard mic by finding 2 steel ball bearing balls about 5mm in dia, then attach them to your standard mic with a short piece of rubber hose or heatshrink to hold them there.