Author Topic: Steve Moore (Read 2692 times)

HeliMike · « **on:** December 23, 2004, 10:13:34 AM »

What the hell is the deal with this guy? Why is it sooooo important for him to whine in front of the judge? And why do we really need to here his whimpering and crying about it in a press conference? Get over it man! The sentencing fit, the punishment handed down from the league was definitely more than enough but he still wants to get in front of the judge to plead his case? For what? What good could have possibly come from it? Will he sleep better? Does he really think that Bert should do jail time for what happened to him? And does he really think it could have had any bearing on the case even if he did get to say his piece in person? Come on - you're Steve Moore not the Prime Minister, you don't have that kind of pull. Settle the civil suit which is the important one and fuck the rest. Bert's already suffered enough and payed his dues to hockey.
Don't get me wrong though - I don't think what Bert did was right.

Also, in his impact statement he says he was constantly taunted and threatened by Canucks players before and during the game. What the hell was he doing on the ice then? I don't agree with having to bench a guy because of this but let's be realistic here - he was a wanted man on the ice - period. If he's trying to sue Bert, the Canucks and the league I think he should take a long look around him and realize maybe his team and coach should be held somewhat responsible as well. Not responsible for the hit but responsible for putting him on the ice in an obviously dangerous situation. The ref's were even warned prior to the game and the commissioner was well aware of possible retribution but just because the ref's knew didn't make him untouchable obviously. It's unfortunate what happened to the guy but I think retribution is being sought after in all the wrong ways and it just seems to be a personal vendetta now.

Black-Back · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2004, 10:16:29 AM »

Here, Here. Well said.

Mike

silas · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2004, 10:27:36 AM »

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What the hell is the deal with this guy?

greed and notoriety.

Shane · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2004, 11:02:06 AM »

Well I think he is gonna be black listed by the NHLPA .. That is a good ole boys club.... and Steve just shot himself in the foot... But I guess when you are just an average hockey player, this does not matter and you need to make up that 250,000, a year some how.... I think it was all fair what Todd got, Good part of the Civil trial, if there is one , it happened in Canada so our money awards are not like the USA.

red snapper · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2004, 12:21:05 PM »

I kinda feel sorry for Steve Moore. As he will never play hockey again. Neither will Bertuzzi from what I understand but Todds been punished enough and has lost a lot more than the \"average\" citizen would have. Cant we all just get along and start playing some GOD dam hockey?

Russ · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:19:30 PM »

simple Steve Moore was let go by Colorado he has no job and has been an unrestricted free agent for awhile his chances of playing again (injury or not ) are slim he is holding out for any last bit of money he can get.
Brian i disagree i do think Bert will play again but i'm not sure he will be the same player (read as agressive)

russ

Bubba · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:37:14 PM »

I find it totally unnecissary for the courts to get involved with what goes on in the NHL - short of homicide.

In the 70's, the then Attorney -General, Roy McMurtry decided to wade into it by threatening to charge Philadelphia players (aka the Broad Street Bullies) with assault because he was tired of watching his precious Leafs get beat up game after game. This was the tip of the iceberg.

I did not agree with McSorley's legal consequences as well, even though it was against one of our own Canucks.

Over the years, right or wrong, the NHL has dealt with this kind of thing reasonably well. Also note, it has been only the Canadian courts that have chosen to prosecute NHL players. They probably wouldn't stand a chance in the US courts.

With respect to Steve Moore, he violated a long unwritten rule. You don't mess with another team's marquee player. To do so would be certain peril, and always brought retribution. This has been going on in the NHL for decades, and is nothing new here.

The sad part about this story is that the Vancouver Sun chose to devote the first 3 pages of the paper to this story. The leftist Globe and Mail also made it front page news.

I hope Steve Moore's lawyer settles with Bert soon, so this stupid story can finally go away.

Just my $.02.

HeliMike · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:49:37 PM »

And just in case you missed it or haven't heard, Moores lawyer is now trying to get the AG to launch a probe into the conduct and handling of the plea bargain case!
Man, I HATE lawyers.

HeliMike · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2004, 02:51:57 PM »

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simple Steve Moore was let go by Colorado he has no job and has been an unrestricted free agent for awhile his chances of playing again (injury or not ) are slim he is holding out for any last bit of money he can get.

Yep! My thoughts exactly. Smug little bastard.

red snapper · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2004, 03:23:59 PM »

Ya Russ, after reading the Province it does sound like it to me that he will end up playing sometime in the future. As far as his aggresiveness, I guess only time will tell.

surgerypending · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2004, 04:16:21 PM »

I don't agree with all the legal crap associated with this.....but ....if Steve can't play again then Todd shouldn't play again...he needs to accept some responsability for his actions on the ice! It's no fun having a broken neck and that injury will stay with him for the rest of his life!
Just my 2 cents

Black-Back · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2004, 05:44:22 PM »

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It's no fun having a broken neck and that injury will stay with him for the rest of his life!

Just so you know, Steve moores neck was never \"Broken\" it was only fractured, and there's no telling wheather it was the punch or the dogpile that ensued after that caused the injury. I know a few people who have actually broken they're backs and fractured they're necks, and are still profesionally skiing and snowboarding to this day, dropping cliffs etc...
I'm not saying that what Bert did was right, but I don't think Mr. Moores condition is as terrible as they want you to believe.
Anyways, just my .02 cents

Mike

Chris · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2004, 05:54:46 PM »

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Just so you know, Steve moores neck was never "Broken" it was only fractured, and there's no telling wheather it was the punch or the dogpile that ensued after that caused the injury. I know a few people who have actually broken they're backs and fractured they're necks, and are still profesionally skiing and snowboarding to this day, dropping cliffs etc...
I'm not saying that what Bert did was right, but I don't think Mr. Moores condition is as terrible as they want you to believe.
Anyways, just my .02 cents

Mike

Your totally right Mike, it takes very little to do that kind of injury but it takes a helluva lot more for it to happen to someone in top physical shape.

All I can say is what goes around comes around, paybacks a bitch.

Here is what Steve is doing now.

Thursday, Dec 23, 2004

Steve Moore's focus on return to ice, not filing lawsuit

TORONTO (CP) - Steve Moore left the NHL on a stretcher. But he can't wait to get back.
When he does, however, he hopes something good will have come out of the ugly Todd Bertuzzi assault that sent him to hospital. Moore wants back in, hoping his nightmare may help change a long-lasting NHL culture that accepts a degree of violence.

\"My biggest hope is that there's a serious evaluation about how you prevent this type of stuff from happening again,\" Moore said Thursday. \"Because it's caused so much damage to the game.\"

The Game. Moore referred to it many times during his news conference, his first public comments in 10 months regarding the March 8 attack that left him with a broken neck and serious post-concussion problems.

Bertuzzi pleaded guilty in a Vancouver court room Wednesday to assault causing bodily harm. The Canucks star received a conditional discharge, a sentence that could carry no criminal record.

On Thursday, Moore stayed away from commenting on Bertuzzi's sentence, or almost anything to do directly with the Canucks winger.

Moore makes no apologies for not wanting to have anything to do with the Canucks star ever again.

surgerypending · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2004, 06:15:26 PM »

Well, in all fairness if Steve actually gets back to playing the game again then I don't see why Todd shouldn't also be allowed to play the game. I also don't agree with the charges....I believe that the NHL committee are quite capable of dealing with this themselves.Todd should be held responsable for his actions.....break or fracture....it's a pretty damn serious injury! Just so u know Black-back....i know first hand what it's like to live with that type of injury and multiple broken bones in my back...it's no picnic...I have some compassion for the guy. And as for payback....I think a good old fashion..gloves off.. from TB would have been fair enough..and a lot more fun to watch!

moni · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2004, 02:54:38 AM »

i think steve moore's been spending too much time in the states. in the american justice system, victims of crime are permitted to address the court and the accused as to how the incident has affected them. this is not standard protocal in the canadian justice system. in fact, what is usually done is exactly what happened. the crown prosecutor reads from a victim impact statement.

what really irritates me is how the media is playing up the \"plea bargain\" aspect to this case. under canadian law, if someone admits their guilt at the first opportunity availability, co-operate with prosecutors and show remorse for what they've done, both prosecutors and the courts are lenient. sentences in criminal court shouldn't be based on lynch-mob mentality. what's most important is protecting the public, and weighing whether the accused poses a risk to public safety. i don't suspect bert will be beating on guys on or off the ice any time soon and actually followed through on the above criteria for a plea deal. i think he deserves the deal, myself.

so there, tony gallagher, you can kiss my a$$.... :lol:

Hoosier Daddy · « **Reply #15 on:** December 24, 2004, 07:25:51 AM »

Who's Steve Moore?

OUTKAST · « **Reply #16 on:** December 24, 2004, 08:47:19 AM »

Well heres my take doon't really watch overpaid proffessional sports
MONEY to big of an issue
I feel this is the NHL problem
This is Hockey rough violent and sometimes street fighting (not to excuse the sucker punch ) but what about hit from behind into boards not that it ever happens Ha! just as bad and so or some of the other hits .
Many of a young guys carreers have ended early due to knee, shoulder,ankle ,head injuries but they know that's part of the game Steve Moore wasn't the first and won't be the last to leave Hockey early due to injury
Todd bert was unluckily the scapegoat in a situation long overlooked and not dealt with by the NHL
Well Bettman you must decide is it a family game that I can take my kids to with you contrling some of the voilence
or is it going to be sold as the gladiater sport that it always has been
We know he wants the biggest draw all the money and not the rersponsibilty to make a decision and make the changes
He has to decide one way or the other
Now that being said I'm glad the police don't get involved in rugby games or boxing because the voilent nature is part of the game
So as i see it the NHL has to decide what is and isn't acceptable and they hand out the punishment

Steve moore To bad it had to end like that but thats Hockey
Bert tough break you lost my next 8 years salary but back to hockey soon to make it up

just my 45cents worth

Shane · « **Reply #17 on:** December 24, 2004, 10:50:06 AM »

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i think steve moore's been spending too much time in the states. in the american justice system, victims of crime are permitted to address the court and the accused as to how the incident has affected them. this is not standard protocal in the canadian justice system. in fact, what is usually done is exactly what happened. the crown prosecutor reads from a victim impact statement.

what really irritates me is how the media is playing up the \"plea bargain\" aspect to this case. under canadian law, if someone admits their guilt at the first opportunity availability, co-operate with prosecutors and show remorse for what they've done, both prosecutors and the courts are lenient. sentences in criminal court shouldn't be based on lynch-mob mentality. what's most important is protecting the public, and weighing whether the accused poses a risk to public safety. i don't suspect bert will be beating on guys on or off the ice any time soon and actually followed through on the above criteria for a plea deal. i think he deserves the deal, myself.

so there, tony gallagher, you can kiss my a$$.... :lol:

I think you need to post that in the province....

that was very good

I guess school has paid off......

Cuz I would have said Tony your an ass and i think you are a sports columist cuz you were too much a nerd to play any sport. Your a whiner and a cry baby... Berts deal was fair. Now piss off and go write your crap elswhere like in Toronto.

OUTKAST · « **Reply #18 on:** December 24, 2004, 05:53:47 PM »

Assualt from behind with pie to face no injury maybe just to pride
30 DAYS IN JAIL
AND COMMUNITY SERVICE

AND WHO CARES IF IT WAS CHRETIAN OR OUR PRIMEMINISTER WE ARE ALL EQUEAL RIGHT!

Assualt on couple in van over road rage no charges
Canadian JUSTICE? is FU#$# UP

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