Author Topic: Window Installation (Read 3529 times)

jim martin · « **on:** July 28, 2004, 07:44:44 PM »

might tackle installing my windows myself ,but of course there is a few problems with a chopped car,need too talk too someone about molding instilation and prep as well as install tips ,any experts out there??post a phone number so i could give you a shout and rattle your brain,thanks

Black-Back · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2004, 08:15:12 PM »

You definately need at least two people, one of which knows what they're doing!

James Buchan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2004, 08:17:15 PM »

Brian - aka Red Snapper helped me with mine.

red snapper · « **Reply #3 on:** July 29, 2004, 07:54:24 AM »

Hey Jim, if there is any way I can help call me @ 604 868 6539. Brian.

jim martin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2004, 08:36:13 PM »

thanks brian will contact you soon,
jim martin

surgerypending · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2004, 09:15:34 PM »

soapy water on the rubbers and a nylon string attached and twisted around a wooden stick or block to pull the rubber edge back. get one edge in and use the string to pull the rest of the rubber in as you go around the glass...again...soapy water! And yes...2 people make it real easy!

oldfart · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2004, 09:42:06 PM »

you need about 12 feet of 3/16 sash cord,the stuff used in blinds,any hardware store,revy whatever.a can of wd -40. soak the cord with wd,really well.lay it in the channel of the seal. Have your best buddy help posistion the glass and evenly push firmly to hold it. make sure you crossed the sting[cord] about 6-8 inches over itself when you layed it in the seal.overlapped the ends like.gently pull the seal in a couple of inches at a time,alternating from side to side. if it gets really tight when you are pulling,have your pal thump in that area with the side of his fist[SIDE OF FIST] it is actually really really easy.when you first start, start at the top of the glass ,tried starting at the bottom,worked out .......not so good.could help on sunday afternoon after 4 if you need it,if not, good luck![but judging from your pics of your car.....you got more than enough skill !!!!!!!!!] where did the seals come from? did you make them or have them done?they mest be what? afoot or so shorter?

Black-Back · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2004, 09:58:31 PM »

Not to say that its wrong , but I installed my the seals on my type three bone dry and they went in just fine. I actually tried wetting everyhting down first, and I found that it just made everything \"Wet\" and didn't really help the process, unless I'm weird or something. The rope that I used was 3/8\" cotton stuff(very soft), and I wrapped it one and a half times around just to make sure everything was in.

Good Luck!( its not as hard as it seems)

Mike

jim martin · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2004, 10:24:30 PM »

here is what i'm up against.
rear window is standard oval and trim=no problem
quarter windows and windshield are a lot smaller,so since the seals need too be cut ,this is what i'm working on
-when i install the window seals around the glass do i make it a tight or loose fit on the glass.?--is there a way too rebond/glue the seal back together?--then there is the problem of the moldings on the chopped windows,if i need too use a extra molding seam clip per window i will, if i cannot rebend with ease the originals.
thanks, god its nice too be thinking of putting glass back in soon !!!

silas · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2004, 11:44:46 PM »

hey jim.

put the rubber in the sun for awhile. the heat will loosen/stretch the rubber and make it easier to deal with. trim to fit snug around glass, not too loose. i suppose you could glue the rubber back together at the cut. the windshield will have 2 molding seams (top center & bottom center) and the rear quarters will have one molding seam (middle forward). i'm sure you're aware of that tho.

i've got a bentley manual that explains it pretty well. it may come in handy. i'll call you in the am.

Black-Back · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2004, 01:43:23 AM »

Would rubber cement work to bond the ends? does anybody know of a better bonding agent? some sort of epoxy maybe? we need some sort of chemist or something!

Mike

red snapper · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2004, 07:05:20 AM »

Hey Jim, there is a sealer on the market called \"Spectrum 2\" that should keep the seams together. How set are you in keeping the chrome around the windshield? Thats the only problem that I can see being a pain in the ass. Rubber cement I dont think will hold as the rubber has to get stretched around the windshield. I use a little silicon around the rubber and it seems to work well. Has there been a windshield in the car before? Do you still have the modified rubber? Has the chrome already been in the windshield after the chop? When your ready give me a call. Brian

oldfart · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2004, 08:55:19 AM »

it seams...seems to me that the ends are cold vulcanized on the new ones i just put in my super.rubber cement would probably be too pliable,perhaps a really good contact cement? there is that glue used on tire plugs,the black goop they use on the plug, maybe that would work?

sourkraut · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2004, 12:19:06 PM »

Jim
When rubber gasket installs are done we use a product called urethane. It works to seal the glass but we also use it to fit the gasket together like a filler. I dont know of any products that would glue it together for long term. I would use the rope, rope it in and then fill the small section with urethane smooth it out and nobody knows any different. The chrome may be difficult.
my 2 cents
Steve

jim martin · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:07:04 PM »

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Hey Jim, there is a sealer on the market called "Spectrum 2" that should keep the seams together. How set are you in keeping the chrome around the windshield? Thats the only problem that I can see being a pain in the ass. Has there been a windshield in the car before? Do you still have the modified rubber? Has the chrome already been in the windshield after the chop? When your ready give me a call. Brian

again thanks a tonne for everones input.-
ok here is the secret scoop,i just have too try something differant . i have never seen any chop or for that matter a car that has one piece door glass installed use trim molding around the complete door/window frame.that i have done and am quite pleased with the results.
yes the car has already had the glass installed last year ,but that was with cal-look rubber.
this time trying too install chopped windows with trim moldings will be a lesson in frustation ,thats why i figured if i can get the window rubber too stay together that is one less hassle ,then i will try to reshape the window trim using a metal rod too support it while being rebent,if that fails i will cut the frt windshield into 4 pieces using clips on the sides and top and bottom if i have too.as well as the quarters may need 2 clips as well . hope not but will find out in the next week.
----where do i buy spectrum 2 glue ??

62bugg · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2004, 05:45:19 PM »

Heh for bonding that seal back together try
Loctite 380 Black Max its a bonding agent we use at work on rubber seals.

RC

Black-Back · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2004, 06:09:58 PM »

Hey for the chrome molding, can you not buy those plastic rolls of the stuff, so that its easier to bend into shape? or is that stuff for a later model car. I can't remember.

Mike

thrasherbill · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2004, 08:19:03 PM »

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Heh for bonding that seal back together try
Loctite 380 Black Max its a bonding agent we use at work on rubber seals.

RC

Doesn't Black Max dry hard (not at all pliable)? I think that's the same stuff we used to glue snowboard edges to the bases before they were laminated with the core and topsheet. If it is the same stuff, do not get it on your skin! That shit is crazy toxic! It absorbs instantly through your skin and directly into your bloodstream where it can thin your blood to dangerous levels. Alwys wear a respirator and latex gloves when using it. Even with a respirator, if you drink one beer after using Black Max you'll get a really good buzz! I'd see if you can find Spectrum 2. It was recommended by my instructor at Kwantlen for just this purpose.

ThrasheR

62bugg · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2004, 08:36:55 PM »

Let me check on the Loctite 380 yes it is toxic shit, so is all loctite nasty stuff, we use a bunch o different one ans one of the ones we use we actually use to bond rubeer seals to one another for enclosures i cant check until monday though.

Good luck
rob c

jim martin · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2004, 08:57:00 PM »

thanks -62bugg @ thraserbill
see what you can find out next week from work 62bugg
--where do i find spectrum2 ??
-the reason for not using the plastic molding is for apperance.looks cheap.
but in the end if all else fails, you never know.
i have a bunch of old rubber seals i can test some products on,
if not its urethane

OUTKAST · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2004, 09:14:10 PM »

JIM your in good hands by the sound of it BUT one more key piece of advise go SLOOOOW and if it doesn,t feel right back up and start again till you find the sweet spot also if rubber sticks and wont come over lip use a piece of dull plastic to manipulate it kinda like my PEDROS plastic sticks I bought from the bike store for changing out tubes . Hope that helps good luck
OUTKAST

red snapper · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2004, 07:08:05 AM »

You might want to try Acklands. Good luck.

hellgti · « **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2004, 09:27:34 AM »

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Hey for the chrome molding, can you not buy those plastic rolls of the stuff, so that its easier to bend into shape? or is that stuff for a later model car. I can't remember.

Mike

the plastic roll trim won't fit the groove of the earlier style window rubbers. the metal ones pretty much slip into the groove while the plastic ones have more of a \"v\" profile to lock into the seal. the seals used for the plastic trim is specific to them and they're generaly only late seals, but, since you're cutting to fit anyway, it shouldn't matter.

Black-Back · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2004, 09:48:08 AM »

Yeah I fugured that the plastic chrome wouldn't work, and like Jim said it looks cheap as hell. Good luck finding the right bonding agent!!

Mike

jim martin · « **Reply #24 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:53:08 PM »

after digging around quite a bit and talking too everyone else i could think of ,i hit the locyite industrial websight.
looks like product loctite380 is the stuff.
its a black flexable instant bonding agent that has excellent peel/impact and shear strength.
will pick some up tommorrow and try it out.
as long as it holds together so i can fit the seal and trim onto the window too ease instilation ,all will be good