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Offline Darren

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Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« on: November 03, 2014, 03:08:43 PM »
Excellent oil for our old VW engines, with the right amount of ZDDP.

Good price and free shipping from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.ca/Valvoline-Racing-10W30-946ml-case/dp/B00DJ4FMK2


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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 04:25:18 PM »
saw this posted about that oil on a Corvette forum:

"I picked up a Valvoline product manual over the weekend. It clarified some questions about their Racing oil products. It turns out that VR1 Racing Oil is just ordinary new car street oil that says Racing Oil on the label. I think most of us thought it was extra good stuff because of those words, and because it said it contains ZDDP (Zinc DialkylDithioPhosphate), which we commonly just call zinc. That ended up being just marketing hype, since even the newer street oils still contain some zinc, just at much lower levels than they used too. Of course, that reduction was done for emissions reasons to prevent wrecking the cats on street cars, certainly not to help the engines. As we know, zinc is considered one of the main additives that gives extra protection against engine wear. Many consider the fact that zinc has been nearly removed from newer street oils to be the primary cause for the rash of flat tappet motor wiped lobes. It may also be a contributing factor to solid roller lifter failures as well. So, of course, racers and gearheads typically like to stay away from street oil if they don’t run cat equipped cars. The thing is, VR1 is API certified as SM rated (check the bottle and you’ll see), which is the latest street oil rating for current new cars, as well as older ones so they claim. But don’t tell that to the guys with wiped lobes. In order to meet that latest strict API rating, the zinc level is at its lowest level yet……..so much for Valvoline’s feeble claim of “contains ZDDP”. And so much for VR1 being actual “Racing Oil”. I think most of us expect true racing oil to have much larger amounts of zinc than even the older “good” street oil. On top of that, I recently came across a Valvoline link on the web, where they talked about VR1 being a synthetic blend, though they don’t even say that on the bottle. So………. they don’t make it widely known that it is a synthetic blend, yet they do imply it has a lot of zinc, which is doesn’t. I know many people are quite happy using VR1, but the good it is doing for them apparently comes mostly from it being partial synthetic, not from any help from zinc. Jeg’s lists this oil for $5.00 per qt. I was planning to use it in the 540 I’m building, but now I wouldn’t even consider it.

For those of us who actually want truly elevated levels of zinc in our oil, we have to look no further than Valvoline’s two other Race Oils. They have conventional (petroleum) Racing Oil and Synthetic Racing Oil, both of which truly have elevated levels of zinc. Since they do, they say clearly on the bottles, “Not Street Legal”, which is because they will actually ruin the cats on cat equipped cars. And they don’t carry new street oil API ratings. Jeg’s lists the conventional at $7.00 per qt and the synthetic at $9.00 per qt.

Just when we thought it was safe to stop thinking about oil……………… "

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 11:33:45 AM »
Not sure about what you have posted


This the oil im referring to



Valvoline VR1 10W30 Racing Oil conventional (Silver Bottle, lab tested 2011)
This one does NOT have the API symbol, but its text says it exceeds API SM
Silicon = 10 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 73 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2707 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 3 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2787 ppm
Zinc = 1472 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1544 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 3 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3019 ppm
Potassium = 6 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 380 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.6 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.0 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.
This oil is suitable for Classic Cars, High HP Street Hotrods and Street/Strip cars, as well as many dedicated race cars (including flat tappet setups and those with bronze dist gears).


Lots of Zddp.....
It also says on the bottle not reccomended for catylitic
Equipped motors.

And there is no classification in the api
Symbol.......

Im good with using it.

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 12:02:05 PM »
Oh, one more thing, the information you posted Alp, is from 2007...

The iformation I posted is from 2011  ( actually from the same guy... 540 RAT )  on a different website.

His current results Jive with the bottles I have here....

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 01:05:24 PM »
it is always in the details... learned my lesson

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 01:35:44 PM »
Thanks for clearing that up, especially since I ordered 2 cases! :D

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 12:49:33 PM »
Hey Darren,
What about the old Shell Rotella diesel?? I thought it was a good go to as it had high zinc levels?

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2014, 07:39:40 AM »
Hey Darren,
What about the old Shell Rotella diesel?? I thought it was a good go to as it had high zinc levels?

Check this thread out.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35836


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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 12:40:41 AM »
This is what I have been using, it a true racing oil and is available at Lordco. There is a lot of good information regarding oil choices on their website. Wayne

http://www.drivenracingoil.com/dro/xp8-sae-5w-30-petroleum-racing-oilhtml/

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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2014, 02:28:21 PM »
"racing " and "off road use only" is the loop hole that the oil manufacturers use to leap around north American bylaws
I have done tons of seminars with texas oil inc, and most all oil manufacturers, That  is why after 40 years "comp cams" " Elderbrock" and everyone else makes there "own" oil.

when they took the zddp aka zinc out, this is how they figured out how to keep the old oil in....rebranding it.
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Re: Valvoline VR1 Racing oil High ZDDP!
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2014, 10:23:27 PM »
Hey Darren,
What about the old Shell Rotella diesel?? I thought it was a good go to as it had high zinc levels?

Check this thread out.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35836

good read

performance engines=performance oil
good topic and was dealing with this on some friends older american products today so figured
id toss in my 2 cents
still people will spend $$$ on motors but want to cheap on oils ,just dont do it .spend the money
for the synthetic lovers  i loved mobile 1 racing 10w-40 and v twin 20w - 50 /1500,1800 ppm zinc levels if i remember
and lucas 20w-50 racing dino oil p#10620 huge antiwear and zinc levels over 3100 ppm ,smells great and
handles all fuels and severe dillution
this is a good product as well if you have a hard time getting quality oil .just add to your current oil just like GM eos
Lucas Engine Break In Oil Additive
10063 TB Zinc Plus 31,000
10063 Mix Ratio: 4.5 qt Oil + 16oz Zinc Plus 3,500
10063 Mix Ratio: 4.75 qt Oil + 8oz Zinc Plus 1,600
10063 Mix Ratio: 4.9 qt Oil + 4oz Zinc Plus 1,000

Hot tip ,the #1 reason to run dino oil over synthetic is ....



when you blow it all over the race track it cleans up easily , track clean up crews hate synthetic oils seams they cant burn it of easily
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