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Air Care
« on: September 03, 2009, 08:13:19 PM »


Got a pass today. ;D

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 10:58:57 PM »


Got a pass today. ;D

That GMB guy does good work ! ;D
Now that GMB is done that he can get something done on his rail!
gary

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 07:56:00 AM »
Yeah....

He tuned my engine on tha Black 62 and passed Air Care back in 2006. Then Hans and Gary Removed it from the wreck, pu it in my 68 which passed a/c last year without having to tune it again. I took it in yesterday and without a single adjustment it passed again. ;D

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 10:38:37 AM »
Got a FAIL today.............ug. Waste of time aircare , can't wait for it to end one day.  >:(

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 07:48:53 PM »
Emilio, the next time you think it needs adjusting, it doesn't.  If the engine isn't running right because you think the carb's not right, don't touch it.  Something else is wrong.  Usually the ignition. 
Carbs don't go out of adjustment.

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 08:19:30 PM »
Emilio, the next time you think it needs adjusting, it doesn't.  If the engine isn't running right because you think the carb's not right, don't touch it.  Something else is wrong.  Usually the ignition. 
Carbs don't go out of adjustment.

Sure they do, throttle shafts wear, jets plug among other things. Your correct by saying that the adjustment screws shouldn't move over time but if a throttle shaft wears an adjustment may be needed (along with replacing a worn shaft bushing)


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Re: Air Care
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 09:07:12 PM »
My 1776 passed last time no problem . However that was two summers ago . Had Mike Growcott tune it perfect for aircare. Now failed on idle and some parts of the driving.Freakin really high numbers . Could it just be a valve adjustment ? Guess it will be my spring project 2010 , least I still get a three month grace pass . lol , thanks airscam.

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2009, 09:32:24 AM »
Emilio, the next time you think it needs adjusting, it doesn't.  If the engine isn't running right because you think the carb's not right, don't touch it.  Something else is wrong.  Usually the ignition.  
Carbs don't go out of adjustment.

Sure they do, throttle shafts wear, jets plug among other things. Your correct by saying that the adjustment screws shouldn't move over time but if a throttle shaft wears an adjustment may be needed (along with replacing a worn shaft bushing)


A plugged jet isn't an adjustment.
Throttle shaft wear happens so slowly; maybe every few years it might need a change.  The manual tells you to put a drop of oil on the end of the throttle shaft at every tune-up or oil change.  This goes a long way to prevent wear.  If you make sure you don't have binding in your linkage, you won't be wearing out your carbs.

I haven't adjusted my carbs since early 2000.  So far just over 100k km.

Many years ago I was brainwashed by those that didn't know what they were doing.  The prevalent myth was that dual carbs are a bad idea on a daily driver because you always have to "tune" them.  You always had to adjust them to keep them in sync.  What a load of crap.
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Re: Air Care
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 09:36:11 AM »
. Could it just be a valve adjustment ?
If you don't know if your valves are adjusted right, they need adjusting.

Post your car's VIN so we can see what the numbers are.

Whining about Aircare isn't going to get your car fixed.  Fix it NOW while you can drive the car.  Waiting until next year is foolish since you'll have to buy a permit every time you want to test drive the car.

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 05:38:50 PM »
Bruce Reg #06483999 for the aircare site.  Have a look , the numbers were close to what they were two years ago. Thats when it first failed . So they've gone back to the old numbers. Cheers , Ray ???

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 07:11:12 PM »
Note the readings of 2000 ppm of HC.  You've pegged the meter.  I've never actually seen anyone peg both idle and driving.  Well done!

What kind of engine are we dealing with?  Stock?  Dual carbs?  Distributor?

Is it safe to assume there were significant changes between 1998 and 2008?  If so, the readings in 1998 should be disregarded.

Note your driving CO.  At .33 and .15%, you are way too lean.  When you run this lean, you run the risk that the ignition can't fire the mixture.  One single misfire at aircare is an instant fail.  This type of fail shows up as 2000ppm of HC. Exactly what you have. (although there can be other causes)  What size is your idle jet?  What are the specs of your carbs?

The 2000ppm of HC at idle is a different problem.  HC readings are very sensitive to your ignition timing.  What is your distributor?  What is the idle timing?  What is the total timing?

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2009, 08:34:23 PM »
Bruce it's a 1776 dual 40 del's / 09 DIS , pentronix IGN . Cam not sure ? First time it fail it was running really rich . Mike Growcott with the help of his gas analyzer got the numbers way down . Passed and ran great . I'll take it back to him , the gas analyzer takes alot of the guess work out . I was pretty hard on the car in the summer. It spends from sep-jun in the garage , so it really gets driven only three months a year .

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2009, 09:02:57 PM »
.... dual 40 del's / 09 DIS ......
What are the idle jets?  What is the timing set to?

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2009, 09:20:33 AM »
Bruce your amazing!!!

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2009, 05:37:49 PM »
The car is is in longterm storage now. Will open the garage door jun 01/ 2010. Well maybe a one day permit if there's another Boston Pizza meet lol . I'll deal with it next year , had my fun with it this summer big time. ;D

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Re: Air Care
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2009, 05:53:28 PM »
Before you walk away from it, I recommend you drain the carbs.  The easy way is to run the engine with the fuel pump off or blocked.