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Altered status?(Do you know this car? Opinions needed.)
« on: February 04, 2009, 06:04:19 PM »
Well, after selling my Ghia last summer, I'm itching for an aircooled again. I'm looking into a 67 Beetle that seems very good, 1776, cal look, 6 years off pan resto. However, it has "altered" status that was apparenty given to it after the shop restored it. Since I'm relatively new to BC(from SK), could altered hide any crap? From the ICBC site it sounds harmless(http://www.icbc.com/buy_car/vch_files/vehicle_status.asp) but I'm not sure...
Thanks in advance.  8)

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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 06:37:53 PM »
Also, to confirm, living downtown Vancouver, a 67 Beetle does have to pass aircare, right?
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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 06:57:19 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.
altered status sounds kind of scary to me, I'd talk to an insurance agent to make sure everythings ok.
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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 07:01:00 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.
altered status sounds kind of scary to me, I'd talk to an insurance agent to make sure everythings ok.
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At the time, it was a good move to sell it. It still was, I want to own a different a/c now. ;)

I'd talk to insurance agent, if I knew one that knew anything! Boy, oh boy, when I went with the guy who bought my Ghia to transfer papers... holly crap, those gotta be the thickest people on the planet that work those jobs.

Anyway, yeah, I don't understand why it would have an altered status... he says it got it after the shop restoration.  ???
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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 09:51:47 PM »
Well, apparently, the car is combined out of two of the same vintage. One body and one pan was more workable so the car ended up needing a new VIN due to that. That doesn't sound that scary... quite common. Hm...
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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 05:25:41 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.


Anybody on would it be problematic to aircare a 67 Beetle with a 1776 with dual 36 Dellortos, electronic ignition and dual quiet pack?

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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 06:10:23 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.


My 2L with dual 36s passed twise. Tuned right it should not be a problem.








Anybody on would it be problematic to aircare a 67 Beetle with a 1776 with dual 36 Dellortos, electronic ignition and dual quiet pack?

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 07:19:51 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.


My 2L with dual 36s passed twise. Tuned right it should not be a problem. 








Anybody on would it be problematic to aircare a 67 Beetle with a 1776 with dual 36 Dellortos, electronic ignition and dual quiet pack?


I think you got those quotes reversed but I got it. Good to hear, thanks! :D
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 05:01:59 PM »
Well, I'm very torn about the car and I'm going to jump on a ferry tomorrow to go see it. I usually know what to pay for cars but I'm a bit stumped with this one. Apparently the seats are "custom" no springs just foam and are thick(and kinda ugly) for soembody of my height(6'). So, I'd need to red the seats or get different ones. The car is 6 year old off pan resto by Lima Autobody in Victoria and 1776 done by an individual with good reputation from what I understand. Some info from the ad:
Only 152,000 miles on the speedometer, and only 36,000 on the rebuilt and modified 1776cc engine with Dellorto 36's, maxi oil pump,
large sump, oil filter, electronic breakerless ignition and alternator. Other features include a rebuilt transmission, updated electrical,
drop spindles, 5 gauge dash, pop-out rear quarter windows, Bosch halogen headlights, new tires, and dual quiet pack exhaust.

If indeed it was rust free and a good car... what would YOU pay for it? Here are some pics, maybe somebody even knows the car...








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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 05:47:58 PM »
shoulda kept the ghia, nice car, and yes the evil aircare is in van.


My 2L with dual 36s passed twise. Tuned right it should not be a problem. 








Anybody on would it be problematic to aircare a 67 Beetle with a 1776 with dual 36 Dellortos, electronic ignition and dual quiet pack?


I think you got those quotes reversed but I got it. Good to hear, thanks! :D



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Re: Altered status?(Do you know this car? Opinions needed.)
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 09:09:17 PM »
What kind of sunroof is that?  A stock steel crank back one, or an aftermarket pop-up?

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 10:00:48 PM »
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If indeed it was rust free and a good car... what would YOU pay for it? Here are some pics, maybe somebody even knows the car...


Not sure what I'd pay for that car, but I can tell you it's been for sale for a long time. Summer of 08 I recall he was asking $9500

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 10:05:48 PM »
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If indeed it was rust free and a good car... what would YOU pay for it? Here are some pics, maybe somebody even knows the car...


Not sure what I'd pay for that car, but I can tell you it's been for sale for a long time. Summer of 08 I recall he was asking $9500


Yes, he did tell me that. One person backed out because of the altered status and one guy backed out because of the seats. Seems like he had a tough time selling it. One reason I think is that the price was way too high.

What kind of sunroof is that?  A stock steel crank back one, or an aftermarket pop-up?


It's the original sunroof.
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Re: Altered status?(Do you know this car? Opinions needed.)
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 10:57:20 PM »
Those are the most bizzare looking seats Ive ever seen. Seats can be easily replaced. Rust is a big issue. Peel the carpet back and check the heaterchannels for rust. Pan looks good and the sunroof if stock, is a bonus. Doesnt look too bad to me, just a little dated. Good luck.

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 11:23:13 PM »
If indeed it was rust free and a good car... what would YOU pay for it?

that's a loaded question. everyones idea of a rust free good car is different.

i wouldnt pay a penny over $5000 (but in reality i would keep looking because, personally, there are a few things about that car that i just dont dig...but that's just my opinion).

good luck and be thorough!!!

on another note....it's nice to see you wanting to get back in an acvw!!!

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2009, 01:05:18 AM »
Those are the most bizzare looking seats Ive ever seen. Seats can be easily replaced. Rust is a big issue. Peel the carpet back and check the heaterchannels for rust. Pan looks good and the sunroof if stock, is a bonus. Doesnt look too bad to me, just a little dated. Good luck.

Yes, they ARE bizarre. Full foam apparently, no springs. Well, it being a 6 year old off pan resto(anybody heard of Lima Autobody in Victoria?) it should not have rust issues. Rust would definitely be eliminatory. And yes, some dates stuff on it I will mention it below.



If indeed it was rust free and a good car... what would YOU pay for it?

that's a loaded question. everyones idea of a rust free good car is different.

i wouldnt pay a penny over $5000 (but in reality i would keep looking because, personally, there are a few things about that car that i just dont dig...but that's just my opinion).

good luck and be thorough!!!

on another note....it's nice to see you wanting to get back in an acvw!!!


Rust free as in...well, no rust other then little red specs on the belly and usual stuff that all cars get after few years. Kind of rust free you'd expect from professional off pan resto. I agree, there are some things I don't like either. Seats, matched wheels and those center caps. Ew. I pretty much gave up on it, then realized that I can easily replace the seats, junk the center caps and at least pain the centers of the wheels silver or flat black or something. I also don't like the dual quiet pack.


My idea is to sell my MK2 GTI and buy something within 1k of what I get for that car. I should be able to get 5-6+ w/o problem. I also want to do some serious driving(perhaps driving school, did one racing school 2 years ago, had a blast!) and possibly some autocross(I did Slush series last winter) so GTI would be perfect but I'm just itching for an ac again. After all, when we were deciding where to move from Saskatoon a couple of years back, it was down to Montreal vs Vancouver. And Vancouver won, among the rest, because I could drive an aircooled year round. How's that for priorities? :D With the above in mind, I should probably be looking for a late Beetle with IRS and discs, perhaps even a Super.

Anyway, here's the lowdown on the wish list...
Ideally, I want a silver, gray, or orange German looker but something Cal lookish or something in between would be alright as well. With a respectable engine if possible. I understand that I'd be probably looking for a long time to get all that to match and then it might be too much $$. That said, I can buy something close and then change what I don't like. Easiest thing is the interior and some mechanical, as I do live in an apartment and have underground parking I can work at. One thing that is out of question(I think, never say never) is a colour I don't want... like yellow for example.

With this particular car, as it is it does have some faux pas. The colour is ok IMO, but that's it. Not great, not bad. However, for example, if I sell the wheels, buy a set of Porsche cup, twist or similar wheels, paint the headlight rings and bumpers, and find a set of gray 911 seats(I know they did come in gray), it would completely transform the car into Ze German Look. It also has a 1776 in it which is one of the nice engines to balance some performance and reliability. The car would be my daily driver, however I barely daily drive, I put about 10k on my GTI in past 2 years.


P.S. Now I find out that the car does not pass aircare as it apparently states it somewhere in the paperwork... I don't know why it would have that. Does Nanaimo have Aircare? Because the current owner bought it in Nanaimo.

I postponed my ferry ride until next week. Need more time to think about this and dig details out. As it stands, I might just keep looking. :-\
« Last Edit: February 07, 2009, 01:30:28 AM by Batan »
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Re: Altered status?(Do you know this car? Opinions needed.)
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2009, 01:18:12 AM »
Also, did you guys know that it's easier to import a car then to bring it from other parts of BC when it comes to Aircare?  ::) ::) ::)
When you import one, you have up to a year to aircare it. When you bring one in, you have to do it pretty much right away - a month max!
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2009, 07:36:17 AM »
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Does Nanaimo have Aircare? Because the current owner bought it in Nanaimo.



Nowhere on the island has Aircare.

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Re: Altered status?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2009, 08:11:45 AM »
Those are the most bizzare looking seats Ive ever seen. Seats can be easily replaced. Rust is a big issue. Peel the carpet back and check the heaterchannels for rust. Pan looks good and the sunroof if stock, is a bonus. Doesnt look too bad to me, just a little dated. Good luck.

Yes, they ARE bizarre. Full foam apparently, no springs. Well, it being a 6 year old off pan resto(anybody heard of Lima Autobody in Victoria?) it should not have rust issues. Rust would definitely be eliminatory. And yes, some dates stuff on it I will mention it below.

Lima's did my first 54 bug in 89' (RIP) They did not do my current 54 but re sprayed about 60% of it. If I lived over there I would still be using them. The owners had bugs so they knew the cars well... I would buy the car based on what I know, the car has lame interior, but that can be changed. The paint looks flawless.
Looks like a good solid car...

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
Also, did you guys know that it's easier to import a car then to bring it from other parts of BC when it comes to Aircare?  ::) ::) ::)
When you import one, you have up to a year to aircare it. When you bring one in, you have to do it pretty much right away - a month max!

when you import a car to bc, you need to get an out of province vehicle inspection (which you are probably aware of because you must have done it with your ghia). when the vehicle passes the oop inspection....it is exempt from aircare for 1 year. if you live in the lower mainland then aircare is inevitable and you will have to deal with it eventually no matter where the car is from.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2009, 12:06:33 PM »
That's right Silas.  If a car has never been through Aircare, you can buy one year's insurance and registration.  Even if you had a BC registered car that was in storage since the 80s, you get one year's insurance without Aircare.

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2009, 12:30:26 PM »
Those are the most bizzare looking seats Ive ever seen. Seats can be easily replaced. Rust is a big issue. Peel the carpet back and check the heaterchannels for rust. Pan looks good and the sunroof if stock, is a bonus. Doesnt look too bad to me, just a little dated. Good luck.

Yes, they ARE bizarre. Full foam apparently, no springs. Well, it being a 6 year old off pan resto(anybody heard of Lima Autobody in Victoria?) it should not have rust issues. Rust would definitely be eliminatory. And yes, some dates stuff on it I will mention it below.

Lima's did my first 54 bug in 89' (RIP) They did not do my current 54 but re sprayed about 60% of it. If I lived over there I would still be using them. The owners had bugs so they knew the cars well... I would buy the car based on what I know, the car has lame interior, but that can be changed. The paint looks flawless.
Looks like a good solid car...

Mirko

Ha, just when I all but gave up in it, a post like this emerges.  ;D

As I said, I postponed seeing it until this coming week as I want to weigh things a bit more and think about it a bit. Silas, you're right I did deal with OPP inspection and aircare, but it was for my GTI. The fella who bought my Ghia had it shipped from Saskatoon to Vancouver. The story is, I bought the Ghia in 2003 and did the work within next two years. I moved to Vancouver in August 2007 and left my Ghia in my sister in law's garage, next to her husbands T3 Ghia(after watching me for few years, the "disease" spread just like it does :) ) for that winter. I had him drive it sometimes as I liked it better driven then sitting in the garage. Then I went back for couple of weeks in May of 08, cleaned up the car and drove it a bit. I left it in Saskatoon as I did not know where to car would be sold, east, west....
and... it ended up being sold to a nice guy here in Vancouver. I did not really want it to come after me so I have to see it but oh well.

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