hey matt, i concur. went to CAR on sat and did the pan that i bought off shane last wkend and i turned out perfectly, in three hours. 150 bucks to remove 40 years of crap is a petty good deal in my books. thanks again for the killer deal on the pan shane, no surprises, and its a late 65 with ball joint front end, which i just happened to have a 4\" raised beam for. thats karma