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« on: March 10, 2004, 09:08:26 PM »
Would really like some hints for building an engine. I want a 1776cc for my bus. I would like a balanced crank, mild cam, I do want to go dual port as I already have a set of heads. I am thinking 36 dells cause Six deuce claims his are great and I like that it is a proven set up. However, I would really like some advice from you seasoned engine builders (ya you too Buchan) on what I definetly want and what I want to steer clear of. I am not proficient enough to go and pick stuff like a crank so I would probably go SCAT cause I've always liked the name. I realize that I am opening a whole can of worms here but I would really like to build a good reliable motor that I would have no qualms about taking to the coast from Salmon Arm.  I also like some juice to my ride so if anyone can give me their 2 cents worth I would really appreciate it

Also I talked to Geoff about the stroker short blocks for 1200 bones. Is this a much better bet for a guy that has not pulled an aircooled engine apart in almost 10 years? Has anyone out there have one of these in their T2??  
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2004, 09:26:55 PM »
I think a 1776 is better suited to a bug/lighter vehicle. You'll be pushing alot of weight (bus,gear,passengers) so I would lean more toward a smaller sized stroker 74/90.5ish Stock weight fly, not to large of a valve 40x35ish,mild cam, 1 1/2 exhaust. A set of Dells would be a nice streetable setup for something like this.

If you think of all the stuff that goes into a long block, time wise and parts wise - 1200 bucks for an prebuilt engine sounds pretty tempting. And think of the help after the sale - You buy parts and screw something up, and have to replace them - Buy a prebuilt and have the customer service that goes with it. Plus if you add up the price to build a 1776, it's not much less than 1200 for a nice one.

BUT if you do decide to build it yourself get some good books and do some pre-reading, figure out the best combo for your application, and then compile a list of parts - then when it comes time to buy them come on here and ask about specific brands, advantages/disadvantages of going with one or the other etc...

I'll be more than happy to help you spend them money when it comes time :)

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2004, 09:31:18 PM »
Thanks James: Was wondering..in the other forum someone mentioned the 74x 90.5 \"not fitting up well, exhaust, etc?? Do you know what they mean?? Also do you know what these shortblocks that Geoff talked to me about come with inside?? Also what am I looking at for stroker P/C's. Will be running stock DP's as well.  
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2004, 09:38:42 PM »
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I would really like some advice from you seasoned engine builders (ya you too Buchan)
HAHAHAHEHEHEHAHAHA......

Thanks Jason. That was good. I needed that. :P  

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2004, 09:39:29 PM »
I am not 100% sure but I would think the \"not fitting\" might have something to do with being at the cusp of whether to go with an A piston or a B piston (non-stroke, strocker pin location on the jug)

Best person to answer this would be Bruce or Geoff, I'm sure they will chime in.

As far as the internals you would have to ask Geoff about them, I have no experience with them.

This will be my last post for abit - see the lounge for the reason, I wanna see what everyone thinks will be said on my next post :)


MATT you smart ass!
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2004, 10:23:45 PM »
If I caould get a reply from an Airspeed representative it would be much appreciated. Are these short blocks still available?? What is inside?? I am guessing no P&Cs. How much for those?? Thanks
 
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2004, 10:24:54 PM »
By the way Buchan , I just passed you in posts today. I AM THE POST WHORE!!!
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2004, 01:20:45 AM »
If you build a 69 stroke engine with A pistons, the length of the cylinders and the pin height works out such that your deck height is right around where you want it to be for a street engine with about 7-8.5:1.  Small adjustments can be made with thin shims.

If you build a 78 stroke engine with B pistons, exactly the same thing happens.  The shorter pin height compensates for the increased stroke.  

If you pick a 74 stroke, you are in \"piston limbo\".  Neither A nor B pistons work.  
Using A pistons will make the engine wider than a 2275, because you will have to use at least a 2.5mm spacer under the cylinders.  Spacers like this are usually custom made.
Using B pistons will give you so much deck height that your compression will be like your lawnmower, around 5:1.  To fix this you have to cut the cylinders shorter.

Then with either pistons, the following fit problems may or may not occur.
Using A pistons means your engine is wider.  Your head studs may not be long enough.  Your cylinder tin will be pushed out creating a gap between the end of the tin and the case.  The fan shroud will appear to be too narrow for the cylinder tins.  Available cross bar linkage may be too short, the hex may not reach the ball studs in the air cleaner bases.  Using a slip joint exhaust means that the slip joints will have less overlap, and more likely to leak.  Stock pushrod will be too short.  Custom PRs will have to be made even for a W series cam with 1.1 rockers.  The whole thing will be a tight fit, especially in an oval window.
Using B pistons will make the engine narrower than stock.  You may have to shorten the head studs.  And the cylinder tins.  Then the fan shroud won't fit into the cylinder tins.  Push rods will be too long.  Your cross bar may have to be chopped shorter.
There are just so many extra things you have to do when building one of these bastard stroke engines, there's absolutely no reason to ever build one.  74 stroke engines take way more work.  Some guys think they are saving time and money by buying a 74 stroke crank because they think the case doesn't have to be clearanced.  This is \"pound foolish\"  Its way easier to do a bit of grinding to fit a 78 stroke than it is to do all the other crap to build one of those engines.  I believe Darren charges extra to build a 74 stroke engine vs a 78 stroke.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2004, 11:35:01 AM »
Bruce has some valid points but as usual has a very one sided opinion :rolleyes:

In any event, I think a 1776cc or 1914cc with a engle 100 cam stock flywheel 40x35.5 heads and 8;1 compresion with 40 mm Dells or Webers would be a very nice reliable motor. I had one like that in one of my old buses and it was great, i have also supplied parts to many customers with this same combo for their busses.
This will work great, be sure to buy a quality crank like a DPR or DMS $285.00
Spend a few extra bucks on the good parts now so your not rebuilding this in a year or two.
If you want we can go over everything you need or may want to include in your engine build.

Geoff.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2004, 11:56:05 AM »
Thanks GKafer: I totally agree. I want to get a good quality built short block for sure. I will call you tomorrow when I am at the shop and maybe we can figure out some prices so I get an idea of wht I am looking at. Would like to start  building soon as I will be borrowing an engine from OUTKAST in the meantime. He is a very large man and I am scared that if I break his engine he will break his extra large foot in my virgin bum. Also do you know where a guy could find some 36 or 40's that are in good shape? I am scared to go EBaying for something like that.  Again thanks for everyone's advice. I think I'll just go 1776cc. Strokers sound like a bit much for this novice for now.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2004, 01:26:06 PM »
Yeah, give us a call or drop by on your way thru.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2004, 02:03:18 PM »
Thanks to everyone for their advice. I really appreciate the support group that comes with owning a vee dub. After talking with Geoff today I am going to go 1914. I will try and post pics as I go. I am sure I will be needing more advice along the way. Again Thanks
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2004, 08:30:58 PM »
WHATTTTTTTTTTT! Lending you what motor ? what did you put in my Slurpee the other nite . I will be comming to visit you . Just kiddding I ve got a pretty 57 36 horse with crank start you can have , sorry no crank P.S. anyone got a cheap early bus crank for sale.Slammed call me when you get back to arrange removal.  

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2004, 08:35:49 AM »
WHO HA! with that 36 horse I'll finally be able to beat that cocky kid on his go-kart. Are your rockers in?? I really don't mind stopping for you. Geoff you there?? Call you Thursday....do it maybe Friday???
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2004, 03:33:36 PM »
Rockers came in Friday afternoon!

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2004, 04:51:48 PM »
Right on! C U Wednesday! Thanks G
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