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Trailblazer/ Envoy ?
« on: February 24, 2007, 04:19:42 PM »
Anyone own one of these vehicles that can give me the low-down?
Alan, do you see alot of these at your shop? I know it's not a Honda so you probably wont like it, but is there a main issue with these vehicles?

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 04:24:57 PM »
No personal experience, but I like the them. Seems like a little more resonable sized vehicle.

 

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 04:33:23 PM »
I've been looking at the Yukon/ Tahoe but I'm scared of the fuel economy on those. I test drove a 2002 trailblazer today and was pretty impressed. however it's milage was up there so the search continues.

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 05:01:18 PM »
My mom's friend drives a TrialBlazer, I know they haven't had any mechanical problems with it so far, and i believe its a 2002 or 2003 also.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2007, 06:16:03 PM »
No customers with those fuel sluggers at my shop yet.

A very typical problem with chevs is the intake gasket problems. They addressed the problem with metal gaskets with molded rubber to replace the plastic/rubber original ones. I would assume the engine platform in those trucks are that \"new\" unproven upgrade gaskets.

Fuel pump issues are very common in pretty well every chevrolet out there.  The typical heater core will fail in about 100,000km or so.  Alternators are the constant pieces of garbage in chevs aswell so make sure your battery is always replaced every 4-5 years regardless of what a load test tells you.  Serp tensioners will start to slop in 80-100,000km.  Power windows motors commonly fail in a short time frame within 100,000kms or so not to mention the switches.

Rear main seals puke usually well before 100,000 kms on alot of chev trucks which the trans will be required to pull out to fix.

All in all the newer chevs dont seem to have the frying PCM problems like the older generation chevs in the 90's.  The chevs do seem to stay a little more simplistic compared to a ford which IMO is a good thing. The simpler they remain the better it is to replace things later.  

I was very close in buying a new MDX after looking around in the SUV market. My friend Stanley is the fleet manager at Burrard Acura. He warned me that if I take a test drive I'll buy it 100%. I declined the testdrive and went the economical route.  Decided to keep my wifes 2001 CRV (48,000km) and dump my 97 civic hatch (101,000km)  for an new 4 door econobox 170Hp Toyota Matrix XRS.

The Yukon/tahoe's have the oldschool pig v8's in them. The intake gaskets will fail 100% but its not that bad to fix. It'll take aprox 5hrs_ish to fix and typically those v8's do NOT have headgasket issues.  The Pitman arms and idler arms on the front ends always screw up and get frikken sloppy as hell!!!! Not a costly fix but the pitman arm takes some smart manuevering.  Tranny's are simple to pull out if problems occur (not very common that I see anyways). When doing a tuneup I'd suggest using AC Delco (cap/rotors) only because I've seen aftermarket ones cross fire inside the cap more often than an AC delco one.  Pot metal shit quick connectors on the intake manifolds that commonly crack (especially when your pulling a trailor or when your in another province hehehehehe - murphy's law) replace the POS with a brass one and a good quality hose clamp.

I think there are issues with all makes. The yukon/tahoe's are not that bad.  They feel like a TRUCK compared to many other SUV's out there. They are on the primitive side but its a rugged raunchy beast compared to many newer rides available these days. Personally if I had a choice of getting a chev or ford in the domestic world I'd say Chev (SUV).  

In our family the next ride will be a baby puking carrier and its gonna be 100% new honda oddysey (next year or two).  If we feel a SUV is needed it may be an MDX or Honda pilot.  Very very slim I'd need to visit the dealership with those vehicles.

I've driven a customers tahoe and its a nice ride. Not bad to fix and alot of balls. As I said I like the older primitive proven v8's with distributor caps rather than a lot of newer individual coil pack ignition systems.

Matt theres so many cars out there to choose from. People can flame me all they want but I wouldn't suggest a Ford.  My brother has a new f150 and its beautiful but I bet he's even scared to fix it when time comes.  New chevs really suck in the reliability department. The Astro van club drives around in oldschool proven V6 platforms that have held up extremely well. The newer chevs (late 90's, 2000) with the 3100, 3400's are absolute pieces of junk. Let me rephrase..... they are great for working down my mortgage  :)  Headgaskets are a tad more frequent than an older v6 chev.

Alot of newer fords pretty well are brazilian soft butter warping heads, mexican, china components. Not saying chev is a world better in their newer stuff. Chev's use AC delco which many parts are manufactured in china. If I \"had\" to buy a domestic I'd lease it. They are honestly no where near the level of reliability to an import. My database of customer prove this time and time again. I guess I'd lease a ford since my bro's friend owns brown bros ford.

Just remember driving impression and maintenance is two different worlds. An older yukon/tahoe is IMO built tougher due to older tech platforms with slightly newer tech components.

Hard call. I hope my babbles are somewhat informative. Just remember people comment on reliability in the short frame. The big picture is when the vehicle gets older and thats when \"real\" reliability proves itself.

Yukon/tahoe will need some tlc and common preventative maintenance and you'll be fine.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2007, 09:44:33 PM »
It does help, thanks Alan!

I'm well aware of the reliabilty difference between any domestic and import vehicle, the domestics just can't stand up. I looked into a Honda Element, quite like those except for the lack of towing capabilities, and I see a small travel trailer in my future.  The larger Import trucks and SUV's are just plain out of my budget. After driving the Trailblazer today, I've been turned off on the Yukons. I drive a 98 GMC with the V6 now with virtually no issues other than the fuel pump. The trailblazer has a straight 6, (according to the salesman) but due to it's 200+k I didn't look to hard. Thanks again for your input.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2007, 10:08:56 PM »
go with the FJ cruiser

not sure how they tow though...


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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
I haven't worked on any 4.2 I6's from chevrolet.  Do google searches for problems and TSB's.

The smaller Japanese suv's are definitely NOT gonna tow anything without effort. This is where the domestics have something \"up\" on alot of import SUV's.

When you say small trailer do you mean car trailer???

If your gonna tow I'd think of getting a manual tranmission.  Pulling a trailer is hard on the tranny due to heat. If you got an auto its wise to get an additional tranny cooler.

Car shopping is always hard  

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 09:52:09 AM »
For what it's worth;
 I was thinking about buying a Chevy/GMC S-10/Sonoma at one time. I went to my mechanic to ask the same question. He told me if I am set on one from GM then hands down buy the GMC. They come off 2 different lines and the GMCs have far fewer problems then the Chevys.

At work we used Chevy/GMC (recently switched to Ford hybryds) and the Chevys were definately in the shop more than the GMCs.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 02:00:08 PM »
If you are up for a mild challenge...

Do a V8 swap into a Safari or Astro.  The vans are cheap to find, usually come fully loaded, and the swap is super easy.  The mounts are available aftermarket, and nothing in the driveline changes.  I did mine in 2 long nights, with another couple of short evenings to tie up the loose ends after the install. (having the exhaust put together)

I got great mileage with it, and it tow'd like a mofo.  The hardest part was keeping my foot out of it.

I've read that the AWD Safari's and Astro's share the same driveline components as the Typhoon and Cyclone, and can easily handle 300+ hp.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 03:08:39 PM »
:lol: It would be a cold day in hell when my wife finally broke down and drove a mini-van!! :lol:

I went about looking today and am frustrated dealing with these slimey used car salesmen, its as bad as dealing with a real estate agent. As for the FJ cruiser, if I had the budget for one of those I'd get the Trailblazer SS with the 400hp 6.0L Corvette engine!

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 04:06:37 PM »
I work at a transmission shop .the trans isn't bad ,but what we didn't like (the whole staff) was how the front diff axle goes right through the engine oil pan ! :wacko:  Thats got to make engine repair or diff repair quite a challenge!course if u stay within warrenty ,who cares! :blink:  

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2007, 05:47:54 PM »
oh yea that price thing
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2007, 06:37:26 PM »
Don't buy a trailblazer.

My brother in law works for CTV and they bought them as fleet vehicles. They can't wait to get rid of things. They are awful on gas and just have had countless warrenty issues.....
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2007, 07:14:22 PM »
The FJ's start around 25k USD, cheaper if you go 2wd. Mine tows my 16ft trailer with car no problem at 70-80mph. Tow rating is 5000lbs I think I am at about 3500-4000lbs, and I love it.  

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2007, 08:40:00 PM »
could also go with a 4 runner, we towed our 18 foot boat with our 02 all the time no problems
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2007, 08:29:18 AM »
Older 1999 4runners only have 190hp. I was gonna buy my friends garage kept 99 Toyota for $20,000.  He paid 48,000 back then and his mint truck has only been fed synthetic oil since new. He only has 35,000km's on it. His wife doesn't like the 4runner and she'd rather drive her 03 corolla.

That year 4runner tows 5000lbs but that truck is very heavy so it may have a hard time even with 4000lbs.

Decided its stupid to have a CRV, Matrix and 4runner in the family. I told him to keep it and now he's driving it daily and parking his beater commuter.

New $$ 4runners have 240hp I believe. More torque too.

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2007, 08:44:22 AM »
Alan, I have a question for you regarding my 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee. To put it mildly, its a piece of shit! I want to sell it but what can I replace it with in that price range. I still need to tow with my heavy car trailer and my heavy car. What kind of problems have you had with these Jeeps? Thanks, Brian.

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2007, 07:05:47 PM »
Hi Brian,It sounds like you need the new Tundra.
www.toyota.ca .  This thing is available with a 5.7litre, 381HP and over 400ft lbs f torque!

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2007, 02:29:11 PM »
Matty,

You think about doing some cross border shopping?


http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/car?q...ery=Trailblazer

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2007, 09:02:57 PM »
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Alan, I have a question for you regarding my 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee. To put it mildly, its a piece of shit! I want to sell it but what can I replace it with in that price range. I still need to tow with my heavy car trailer and my heavy car. What kind of problems have you had with these Jeeps? Thanks, Brian.
In the jeeps mid 90's I've had customers with very low km's with leaking radiators and leaking water pumps very early on. This was a while ago obviously but I was shocked. Now all the new waterpumps available are pretty well all made in china. They are absolute pieces of shit but everyone has jumped on the bandwagon.  Buying a rebuilt unit is a hit and miss aswell. Yes the domestic world is screwed in that aspect.

If you have a japanese made vehicle I (all shops) have an option still in buying japanes made new mastercylinder, water pumps,  wheel cylinders etc etc. The chevs, fords, dodge are in for a big problem in the coming years since EVERY MAJOR company is getting stuff made overseas (taiwan, china, singapore, thailand etc) You will have a very hard time finding a mastercylinder made in North America. In a short duration of time I've had some bad luck with FENCO mastercylinders because they are all now made in China (BAD QC so they leak!!!) Sometimes they work well. Its hit and miss and I eat labour costs because major companies are thinking only of profit margin!!! NOT disrespecting Chinese products however I am slamming the QC of alot of the stuff out there. Alot of stuff from mexico is also bad. Chrysler used real shitty quality Mexican made headgaskets on alot of caravans. They are too hard and do not seal well and blow headgaskets real quick whenever overheating occurs. The list goes on and on.

Alot of the cherokee's the crank sensor in the bellhousing would fail and have no start issues. The hall-effect in the distributor also was a common thing to go south. Older cherokees had the hall-effect secured by the distributor cap but the newer ones you must remove the distributor drive (pain in the ass) to replace.

Front wheel bearings are a common problem in many cherokee's and the classic style cherokee's ate front U-joints too. The factory U-joints didn't have grease nipples.

Trannies are quite tough and isn't common to visit the tranny shops. Diffs seem to be ok but the cherokee's I've worked on do not typically tow a trailer. Any diff will blow up when guys screw around in the snow and hit a dry spot on the pavement. This causes shockload and really bangs them up in there.

I have changed some fuel pumps but suprisingly not as much as I would have thought.

Hard call on vehicles these days. If your leasing buy whatever  you like. If your intending to keep things over the long haul alot of stuff out there is junk!!!

I was talking to a friend of mine thats a Toyota mechanic. He seems to like all of the toyota trucks. WARNING alot of toyotas are sludge motors. USE SYNTHETIC and change every 5000km!!!!! The engines seem to oxidize the oil and cook them to tar. Must be a combustion chamber/oil gallery location issue.

If I was in the market of buying a truck I'd get a toyota. New fords just scare me due to complexity and increase of issues down the road. Chev are still a tad more simplistic so its a good thing. Dodge durango and dakota's typically seem to have negative reviews.

For something cheaper than a toyota  I would thinka  5.3L chev v8 is a good choice. Old tech with new components. Intake gasket will leak but still a cheaper fix and a known issue. Honestly its a hard call.  

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2010, 06:40:22 PM »
Hi my dad also have a trailblazer and I tried to used it with my friends but unfortunately I crashed the car the bumper cover was so wrecked..but luckily me and friends are safe have an idea where can I find one guys?

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2010, 08:02:41 PM »
Just my 2 cents here, If you are going to tow, know your weight. Standard trannys have less tow capacity than an automatic. If you like the envoy/trailblazer, it is available in the newer ones with the 5.3l v8 which is an excellent engine, decent milage and power for towing. The newer (2000 and up) LS engines from GM dont have near the problems that the earlier GenII Vortec engines did that Allan was talking about (which by the way, all of these problems are easily fixable, I recently sold my 97 GMC 5.7l vortec with 290 000kms on original engine and I never had to open up the engine, the truck I drive now is a 2000 K2500 crewcab 4x4 with a 5.7l vortec with 180 000kms and it gets 18mpg daily and I tow my 5000lb travel trailer with it no problem). Stay away from the 6.0l earlier than 03 as they had some oil burning issues and they were not great on fuel for daily driving but fantastic if you are doing a lot of towing. This is just my opinion, what one person has had a fantastic experiance with, someone else is going to tell the exact opposite. The reality is this, there is no perfect vehicle, they all have problems and from what I see in my shop, the imports arent what they used to be. The key to having a vehicle a long time is preventative maintenance. I have a customer that just got rid of his 94 GMC Astro, He has owned it since brand new and we have serviced it since its first oil change. It had 765000kms on it, the engine, tranny and rear diff were original. Alt and starter didnt go on it untill it was in the 550000km range. Never opened up the engine (other than intake gaskets) or tranny. Just regular preventative maintenance.
No matter what you buy, take it to a shop that you trust and have them do a pre-purchase inspection on it before you buy it, that way you know what shape it is in before you own it. ICBC checks and carfax are good ideas as well. Hope this helps somewhat. 

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2010, 08:57:13 PM »
wow......someones been digging in the archives......I originally asked almost 4 years ago (or an ex-wife ago)!


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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2010, 09:44:54 PM »
Wow, I guess its pretty irrelevent now. I didnt even notice the date on the original posts.  lol_hitting

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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2010, 11:18:08 PM »
I think a spammer may be trying to taunt us.....

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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2010, 12:19:00 AM »
we'v been spam rolled !!!

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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2010, 04:55:51 PM »
LOL I ddn't notice guys! sorry for my reply I'm just looking for some car parts on the net and trying to look for forums to read some comments. I just found this forum and this pic was so cool! thanks guys sorry

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 05:12:29 PM »
Hi my dad also have a trailblazer and I tried to used it with my friends but unfortunately I crashed the car the bumper cover was so wrecked..but luckily me and friends are safe have an idea where can I find one guys?

Sorry guys I'm just asking about things I didn't notice the year it was posted but other than please help me I'm seeking some advice thanks

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 06:29:44 PM »
This isnt a forum that has much to do with any GMC/Chevy products.