I got to say it was funny today to watch some people driving, i drove my bus to work, no problems at all, then I leave the yard in my full size van and off to white rock, not too bad until around 10 am when I head into to crescent beach and it was snowing heavy for about 10 minutes and got to watch all the well off types with there bmw's and what not trying to get up the little hill out of there, I actually had to stop one lady and tell her to just go home, she lucked out as a city truck came by and dumped some sand and salt for her to get up the hill