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Offline stan62vw

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« on: September 28, 2006, 03:30:10 PM »
hey thanks for the welcome.  I am just learning all the stuff and browsing around.  My bug is a 1600cc, engle cam, duel carbs, headers, quite pak and petrotonics dist.  12v car,other than that stock. Dreaming about lowering front end. Any know how's on the cheap or the safe expensive way?  

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2006, 05:43:56 PM »
Buy a bag of Portland cement. Put in trunk. Lower your car for $9. :D  

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 06:11:26 PM »
welcome.

regarding lowering the front. you can do it 1 of 2 or both ways.

1 - install drop spindles. this will set you down 2-3\"s depending on the type of spindles you get.

2 - install adjusters in your front beam or install a beam w/ adjusters allready in it. this will allow you to adjust the height of your front end to your liking.

3 - install drop spindles and adjusters. (best option, imho) the spindles will drop it 2-3\"s and the adjusters can then be used to dial in the desired height.

certain things you also must consider is the size of your front tires, fender to tire clearance, headlight bucket to tire clearance (sometimes a problem when using adjusters), installing caster shims to maintain correct front end geometry, and the possibility of using a narrowed beam/leaves/tie rods for extra tire to car clearance.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 07:40:58 PM »
how big of a job is installing dropped spindels can a weekend warrior install special tools? can you run stock brakes  are they very expensive  

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 07:52:33 PM »
its advisable to update to disk brakes, whne you get into dropped spindles you have to decide before you buy as they differ for drum and disk brakes

http://www.airspeedparts.com/catalog/produ...6540d5b5084f6b8
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 11:55:57 PM »
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how big of a job is installing dropped spindels can a weekend warrior install special tools? can you run stock brakes  are they very expensive
it took me about 6 hours to install my drop spindles. it was my first time & i was taking it easy. it could be faster or slower depending on your mood.

use your original kingpin carrier, purchase a king & link pin rebuild kit and drop spindles and have at 'er.

i did it the primative way and the tools i used were a bench vise, bfh (big fu@$ing hammer), various sizes of sockets to use as drifts for the kingpin & linkpin bushings, and a few rachet extentions. primative, yes, and i ended up mushrooming one of my sockets, but it all went together and the front end has been tight ever since. lubing up the new bushings helps with the insertion (dont take that the wrong way) ;) . you also want to line up the grease holes in the kingpin carrier with the holes in the bushings for adequate lubrication. you may need some heat when removing the old kingpin, kingpin bushings, and linkpin bushings. you need to measure the offset of your torsion arms and use the shim guide so you can pack the shims on either side of the linkpin to set camber.

you will also need to ream the new kingpin bushings after they are installed in the carrier and before you drive the kingpin through the spindle & carrier.

i like stopping, but i drive slower than my grandma & the car only has a 1600dp in it so i'm sticking with drum brakes all around. any larger motored car (1776, 1835, 1914, 2L....) should have disc brakes imho.

like 1976bus has said, decide what brakes you want to run before you purchase your spindles.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2007, 10:17:18 PM »
Man you guys totally answed all my questions!!!!, I didnt want to seem like a newbie haha thanks stan.  Ive got a ghia, I think 3\" would be totally clearable wouldnt you think? How much will this job set me back, If i call cip one can they hook me up with all the parts? Ive luckally got rotors on the front alright (Karmann was thinking) and I am about ready for a brake job aswell so I wanna squash it into one weekend, its just one pin to take out the brake pads am i right? I picked some up from lordco.  Now ive just got to get those new pins.  Is there anywere were I can print out some good instructions for this job? :mullet:  
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 10:42:38 PM »
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Man you guys totally answed all my questions!!!!, I didnt want to seem like a newbie haha thanks stan.  Ive got a ghia, I think 3\" would be totally clearable wouldnt you think? How much will this job set me back, If i call cip one can they hook me up with all the parts? Ive luckally got rotors on the front alright (Karmann was thinking) and I am about ready for a brake job aswell so I wanna squash it into one weekend, its just one pin to take out the brake pads am i right? I picked some up from lordco.  Now ive just got to get those new pins.  Is there anywere were I can print out some good instructions for this job? :mullet:
for lowering info & a whole bunch of other information....

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95935

and for parts....

http://www.acvw.net

 

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 10:54:08 PM »
Just asked the same question on the last post, Thanks man Ill give them a buzz next week when I get some time and money.  Which beetle is yours? well maybe cya on sunday!
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 11:03:28 PM »
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Which beetle is yours? well maybe cya on sunday!
my car is the black 64 sunroof behind gary's blue 67....



me & the car and a load of parts will be set up in the swap on sunday. come by and say hi.  

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 11:50:32 AM »
Ill be there! :rockon:  
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 08:22:00 PM »
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welcome.

regarding lowering the front. you can do it 1 of 2 or both ways.

1 - install drop spindles. this will set you down 2-3"s depending on the type of spindles you get.

2 - install adjusters in your front beam or install a beam w/ adjusters allready in it. this will allow you to adjust the height of your front end to your liking.

3 - install drop spindles and adjusters. (best option, imho) the spindles will drop it 2-3"s and the adjusters can then be used to dial in the desired height.

certain things you also must consider is the size of your front tires, fender to tire clearance, headlight bucket to tire clearance (sometimes a problem when using adjusters), installing caster shims to maintain correct front end geometry, and the possibility of using a narrowed beam/leaves/tie rods for extra tire to car clearance.
i didnt read all of what you said silas so sorry if you said this already

but drop spindles will push your tires out, and most of the time so will disk brakes

this is a problem for tire clearance and rubbing. i have a 2\" narrow beam and adjusters all the way down and at full lock my tires rub
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 09:15:51 PM »
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but drop spindles will push your tires out, and most of the time so will disk brakes

this is a problem for tire clearance and rubbing. i have a 2\" narrow beam and adjusters all the way down and at full lock my tires rub
you're absolutley right.

this is where some measurements and calculations come in handy.

it will depend on how low you go, the offset of the wheels you use, the size of tires you use, whether the beam is stock or narrowed (and by how much), how much the spindles push the wheels out (usually 1/2\" per side) and if you are installing disc brakes and how much they push your wheels out.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 09:42:31 PM »
we know all that stuff but since he is new i figured it would be good to spell it out just in case he didnt think of that
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