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Offline Darren

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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2004, 02:21:21 PM »
Shane I'm really sorry to hear about your engine, I just heard this morning from Cameron, (I figured Friday had been rained out) With my broken arm I have been laying low.
It's funny to read everyones speculation on what happened, what part failed, and why... Unfortunatly we probably will never know exactly what failed first,

It could have just simply been just a part failure, It happens. Something we unfortunately have to live with in this game....

Was It leaning out? By the color of the valves I would say no, When Turbo motors lean out they melt Aluminum, Very fast, the Hottest area is the deck around the exh. valve and that would go first I see no signs of that, or a hole melts in the top of the Piston the motor looses power and has Shit loads of Blow by, but usually not a catastophic failure like this.
Also note than a rich running motor can still detonate if the Octane of the fuel can not handle the Cylinder pressure.

As Jim Martin recommends an LM1 withdatalogging would tell us alot.
I know that was used during it's original tuning.

My guess is another Piston faiure, But not bacause of using Cima Pistons at 15 Lbs boost but perhaps some undetactble detonation was happening
that finally took it's toll on the P/C,
I know that detonation is very hard to detect sometimes especially in a car going 120 + and soo many things happening soo fast.

 
I ran well over 100 passes at 22-25 lbs boost on the old Turbo car and never changed the Cimas,  I Tried 30 lbs once leaned it out and melted a ditch in one head. (I consider myself lucky on that one) But the Cima's lived on.
I never asked you what grade of race gas you use and that could also play a roll, It may be best to go to higher octane fuel regardless of what boost you run.  the Slowest burning fuel available is made by Trick Racing, it is called Trick Turbo and it's motor octane is 119, That is what I reccomend that you run in the future.
Always remember that the combustion temps on an aircooled engine especially turbo are higher than a water cooled engine and what works for them may not work for us.
We can also  put a tell tale on the rising rate fuel pressure regulator to track what your peak fuel pressure is under max boost.
The heads look saveable, and hopefully the crank is too.
Anything  ya need don't hesitate to ask.

I hope to get out to Airspeed tomorrow and if it's all right with you I will take a look at it.

Darren

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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2004, 02:25:27 PM »
Just thought of one more thing, I'm thinking perhaps a rod let go first.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2004, 02:32:26 PM »
Shane runs C16 fuel.

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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2004, 02:44:10 PM »
Hmmm C 16  is good shit................  

 

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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2004, 03:52:15 PM »
THanks for your opinion Darren.... Glad to shed some light from a builder... You are going to rebuild my next machine anyways. so you can take the block and the heads., I have ordered a new High rise 10 ml stud case. And so there you go.. I am in no rush . However I would like to buy parts as needed, once you figure out what is needed. I hope the head is salvaged..

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PS it's all good!!! ;)  Just bad timing,  
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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2004, 03:59:34 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2004, 04:27:36 PM »
ouch!

I'll toss my 2 cents (usd) in. Darren brought up a good point, he used Cimas for a long time, wonder if Darren's were the old ones with waaaaaaayyyyyy more pin boss than whats been available for the last several years? I think a piston failed around the wrist pin.
     

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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2004, 04:27:40 PM »
we will find out :D  
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2004, 05:47:25 PM »
Its not that bad!! I'll grab some jb weld and we can snab some file rings and get her running by tommorow!!!!!!
If not you and me will throw my special 1200 in!!
Its all about the love dude!! Im here for ya!
(At least you went out with one hell of a BANG)
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2004, 10:30:07 PM »
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Its not that bad!! I'll grab some jb weld and we can snab some file rings and get her running by tommorow!!!!!!
If not you and me will throw my special 1200 in!!
Its all about the love dude!! Im here for ya!
(At least you went out with one hell of a BANG)
1200 eh what is that a 21 sec 1/4? Man I would feel like Chris!!! :P  :P  :P
 Steve thanks for helping push that wreck into the trailer...
Now comes the debate....

Turbo?    or    N/A??

Cant make up my mind!!!
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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2004, 10:31:03 PM »
All i can say is F#ck that sucks a fat one, but i'm sure i'll see ya driving the hulk again soon, :(:(:(  even if its a 1600cc, that car is still the sh#t :rockon:  :rockon:  

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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2004, 02:46:42 AM »
go big  shoot for mid to low 10's high 9's  :rockon:  i don't know if that can be done but  that would be sweet
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2004, 07:08:11 AM »
Sorry to hear dude. I do feel your pain though. :(  Keep both of your chins up!

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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2004, 07:17:33 AM »
On the lighter side (AND IT WILL BE LIGHTER,NEXT TIME):

126MPH you say Shano, damn thats double (60.62MPH) my 1/4 mile top speed!!!! I can't imagine it :wacko:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  

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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2004, 07:34:50 AM »
Shane! Its a enough to make a man cry!  :(

I say stay Turbo :) Otherwise it'll just sit there hanging off the garage wall, taunting you...  :rockon:  
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2004, 02:23:38 PM »
well My wife said last night that without the Turbo the car is no longer the \"super Hero \" and more like Brian ghia :blink: Just a nice slow car!!!

or was it like Chris' Van Big tub oh Sh@t ????? oh well what ever you know what I mean...

So decisions are yet to be made...
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2004, 02:55:07 PM »
Thats not what your wife said the other night.........







.......I have always been waiting for a good time to use that line :P

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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2004, 03:44:21 PM »
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Thats not what your wife said the other night.........







.......I have always been waiting for a good time to use that line :P
THat is cool... Cuz Courtenay and I have been writing her book! \" Why Chris can't satisfy me and I must go elsewhere\"  

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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2004, 03:53:56 PM »
Hi Shane sorry to hear about what happened with your engine give me a call when you can at 604-340-7223 thanks Ryan :D  

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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2004, 03:56:47 PM »
Thanks alot Shane! How did I get draged into this? My car will be running tonight. Soooooooo that means yours is the slowest now! :P  By the way, do you still have a spare helmut?

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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2004, 04:06:57 PM »
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Soooooooo that means yours is the slowest now!

I guess it's a green car thing to be slow....

Good to hear it will be running - you need a better time on the top 10!

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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2004, 05:07:20 PM »
Brian unlike you, I dont need to race at all this year to stay in the top ten...
 And you got dragged into it by the Double Chin comment!
You built a faster motor and your still gonna get knocked out of the top ten,
 Ofcourse I have a helmet for you to use..
 
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2004, 05:15:32 PM »
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Thats not what your wife said the other night.........







.......I have always been waiting for a good time to use that line :P
THat is cool... Cuz Courtenay and I have been writing her book! \" Why Chris can't satisfy me and I must go elsewhere\"  

Chapter 1
Who said you couldn't \"Do It\" in a beetle
do what in a beetle?? drive down the 1/4 mile and keep your car together?? I called mission and they are still cleaning up the oil
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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2004, 07:39:24 PM »
21 seconds!!! Are you crazy! Im thinking 30 sec's Its not a 1300 you know there hot rod!!
Cheers!
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