Author Topic: Broken Down Bug =( (Read 2483 times)

Acs · « **on:** April 29, 2006, 08:45:36 PM »

I was driving today and as I was taking off from a stand still, I heard a clunk and the car wouldn't accelerate anymore. I pulled as soon as it happened and tryed to get going again but the it makes a clunking and grinding noise when I try to let the clutch out in gear. All the gears seem to be in the right spots. What could be the problem here? Cable? Pressure plate? Clutch? It's got a 1914cc with a somewhat fresh trans rebuild. Can anyone help me out here? I can try to explain better if the about isn't clear. Thanks.

-Rich

silas · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2006, 10:30:24 PM »

so you can depress the clutch pedal and engage every gear, but when you let the clutch pedal up it grinds and clunks and the car does not move? or it grinds and clunks and the car moves?

AirCooledRules · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2006, 09:11:30 AM »

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so you can depress the clutch pedal and engage every gear, but when you let the clutch pedal up it grinds and clunks and the car does not move? or it grinds and clunks and the car moves?

Yes, every gear is there. And the car moves a little bit, with the clutch grabbing where it usually does, but only moves about an inch or so and then starts to clunk and grind. I only tried a few times because I didn't want to risk damaging anything else. I should mention too that the clutch pedal doesn't feel as stiff as before....but that could just be in my head :wacko:

Bruce · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:13:08 AM »

Who's problem is this? Rich's or Jakub's?

Your brake drum is stripped because you didn't tighten the axle nut enough. Take off your hub caps, put it in gear and let the clutch out. Then look to see which axle nut is turning. Replace the drum and tighten the other one too.

Acs · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2006, 09:35:50 PM »

***UPDATE***

Ok, so I tried to check and see if the axle nuts turn...but the car now doesn't attempt to move when in gear. With the engine off and the trans in gear, the car just rolls like it is in neutral. The clutch pedal feel like there is nothing connected to it till about more than halfway to the floor. Also, when the car is running it grinds when you put it in gear. There also seen to be a whining kind of noise which seems to be coming from the transmission when in gear...not in neutral though.

egspot · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2006, 10:50:48 AM »

look at classifieds

http://www.airspeedparts.com/community-for...=24&t=8167&st=0

call me and let me know what -up

Emilio

Bruce · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2006, 11:30:50 AM »

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***UPDATE***

Ok, so I tried to check and see if the axle nuts turn...but the car now doesn't attempt to move when in gear. With the engine off and the trans in gear, the car just rolls like it is in neutral. The clutch pedal feel like there is nothing connected to it till about more than halfway to the floor. Also, when the car is running it grinds when you put it in gear. There also seen to be a whining kind of noise which seems to be coming from the transmission when in gear...not in neutral though.

Could be a broken or exploded clutch disc. Did you look at the axle nuts?

Cameron · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2006, 12:39:18 PM »

You never told us exactly what you were doing when it started acting up.
What does \"I was taking off from a stand still\" mean?

Playing with the clutch makes me think clutch disc, or pressure plate. How's the cable? Bowden tube?
Broken release bearing? Or related parts?

egspot · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2006, 01:47:36 PM »

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You never told us exactly what you were doing when it started acting up.
What does "I was taking off from a stand still" mean?

Playing with the clutch makes me think clutch disc, or pressure plate. How's the cable? Bowden tube?
Broken release bearing? Or related parts?

FYI,

He also has a 1914cc, and rear tires are 225 60 15 I believe.

One the other hand, I do not think he drives or takes off too fast.

Acs · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2006, 01:49:25 PM »

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You never told us exactly what you were doing when it started acting up.
What does "I was taking off from a stand still" mean?

Playing with the clutch makes me think clutch disc, or pressure plate. How's the cable? Bowden tube?
Broken release bearing? Or related parts?

I was at a red light and when traffic started moving, so did I. There were no signs previous that this was going to happen. The clutch wasn't slipping, the pedal didn't feel funny, there was no noise, nothing. I tried check the axle nuts last night but like I said...the car won't move when in gear so i couldn't see if one of them was spinning. I'm going to check the clutch cable adjustment today after work. Oh and, what would be signs of a pressure plate thats about to go?

Chris · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2006, 03:26:39 PM »

did you look at the axle nuts? the whole point being that you pop off the hub caps and look at the nuts while the car is in gear and the wheels are blocked, run the car and have some one look to see if the nuts spin.

silas · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2006, 05:42:37 PM »

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FYI,

He also has a 1914cc, and rear tires are 225 60 15 I believe.

One the other hand, I do not think he drives or takes off too fast.

allthough the size of the tires is relevent, even more important is the degree of static friction (or \"sticktion\") that you get when the rubber meets the road.

they could be bald and spinning or warm and gripping. from acs post, it seems like he wasnt trying to do a crazy stoplight 1/4 mile, something just let go.

hey acs, how exactly does the pedal feel? how much freeplay is there before you feel resistance? does it travel right to the floor? are there noises with the pedal up? are there noises when you start to push down? how exactly can you tell that it is in gear?

Acs · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2006, 06:27:06 PM »

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FYI,

He also has a 1914cc, and rear tires are 225 60 15 I believe.

One the other hand, I do not think he drives or takes off too fast.
allthough the size of the tires is relevent, even more important is the degree of static friction (or \"sticktion\") that you get when the rubber meets the road.

they could be bald and spinning or warm and gripping. from acs post, it seems like he wasnt trying to do a crazy stoplight 1/4 mile, something just let go.

hey acs, how exactly does the pedal feel? how much freeplay is there before you feel resistance? does it travel right to the floor? are there noises with the pedal up? are there noises when you start to push down? how exactly can you tell that it is in gear?

I popped off the rear hubcaps yesterday and had Kirin looking at the axle nuts while I had the car in gear trying to drive. There was nothing out of the ordinary he said. And silas you're right I didn't drop the clutch or anything crazy, I just simply let it out nice and easy like I always do and then something just let go. And as for the pedal; It feels like there is almost no tension on it until about halfway down to the floor. Even after the halfpoint, it still doesn't feel as stiff as it did before this incident. There is no unusual noise with the car in neutral (clutch up or down) but if i step on the clutch and put it into any gear, there is a noise as soon as I move the shifter.

Chris · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2006, 06:36:59 PM »

oh well pull the motor and find out

Bruce · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:40:36 PM »

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.......if i step on the clutch and put it into any gear, there is a noise as soon as I move the shifter.

This means it is likely a clutch problem or a clutch tube problem.

Acs · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2006, 08:23:28 PM »

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This means it is likely a clutch problem or a clutch tube problem.

This is my guess also. I am parking the car tonight at a friends house untill I can figure something out. Which places should I be calling to get this fixed up?

silas · « **Reply #16 on:** May 02, 2006, 12:01:24 AM »

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And as for the pedal; It feels like there is almost no tension on it until about halfway down to the floor. Even after the halfpoint, it still doesn't feel as stiff as it did before this incident.

that sounds like a sloppy clutch tube or a poorly adjusted clutch cable. there should be approximately 1/2\" - 3/4\" of pedal travel before resistance is felt.

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This means it is likely a clutch problem or a clutch tube problem.

and i agree with bruce on this one.

LIQUID · « **Reply #17 on:** May 02, 2006, 12:27:31 AM »

give me a call and i will come up and take a look for you . 604-939-5339.

dwane

egspot · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:14:33 AM »

What's up?

Acs · « **Reply #19 on:** May 04, 2006, 05:26:13 PM »

Calling Dwane today after work and we'll go from there...

Acs · « **Reply #20 on:** May 14, 2006, 01:23:09 PM »

UPDATE!

So after taking the engine out, we realize that the clutch is in two peices. The center section sheared off from the outer ring. Threw in a new Daiken clutch and Kennedy pressure plate and problem solved! I have yet to take it for a drive since it was getting dark by the time the engine was back in and were having trouble feeding the throttle cable through the fan shroud. Big thanks again to the guys at Airspeed. We had to run out there to pick up a few more parts.

Oh and pictures coming soon...

kirin · « **Reply #21 on:** May 14, 2006, 08:46:32 PM »

Thank god it was what it was. Whatta long day..