Author Topic: Kirin Jacobsen 1962 Beetle Seabert: (Read 42161 times)

vwshawn · « **Reply #60 on:** October 06, 2006, 07:27:54 PM »

Hi Kirin,
Car is looking good!
That brings back many memories of my 65 Beetle (I'm still restoring it!!!)
Redi-Strip does a good job, they have been sold.
John used to run the shop.
Make sure that you put the car in epoxy primer, to prevent it from rusting.
Gotta go,
Shawn

silas · « **Reply #61 on:** October 06, 2006, 07:30:09 PM »

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Since my car is base+1 paint the original paint is a really good base for more body work since its stuck for 44 years thus far.

sorry, you lost me.

imho, bare metal or blasted & epoxy primed metal is the best base for filler/body work. not original paint that has allready been painted over.

if there are 2 coats of paint on that car, original paint and 1 respray, more bodywork and another spray would leave the car with 3 layers of paint.

again, i'm just trying to get a feel for how you are going about this.

btw, the metal that has allready been blasted looks absolutely mint. very nice base to start with. i'm sure you've seen pics of my \"holey\" oval and i must say you're saving yourself a bunch of time by starting with such a clean car.

Chris · « **Reply #62 on:** October 06, 2006, 08:38:15 PM »

well you cold argue that Kirin is being suckered or that its just plain cheaper or that the existing paint has already bonded with the metal and could be sanded and prepped instead of stripping it to bare metal where it may require a zinc wash?! I think thats what the process is called. Someone else would know better but its just karen......

screw paint, its just added weight!

kirin · « **Reply #63 on:** October 07, 2006, 12:04:30 AM »

Well the best as I can understand it.
There are two sorts of paint/ primer bonding. Mechanical and chemical. While 1976bus logic is reasonably on par lets think this through. How thick can a layer of paint be? My car is being sanded down(whats remaining painted) to the original coat. Therefore there is the original primer and paint sealing my car plus an excellent base for the new paint to stick to. While it may not be considered the \"normal\" method its what my painter of 30 some odd years and my bodyman of 15 something years think is best. Overall I think the results will be stunning. And taking the whole car down to bare metal might of been nice it just really didn't need it!

But to each their own.

egspot · « **Reply #64 on:** October 07, 2006, 09:24:54 AM »

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Well the best as I can understand it.
There are two sorts of paint/ primer bonding. Mechanical and chemical. While 1976bus logic is reasonably on par lets think this through. How thick can a layer of paint be? My car is being sanded down(whats remaining painted) to the original coat. Therefore there is the original primer and paint sealing my car plus an excellent base for the new paint to stick to. While it may not be considered the "normal" method its what my painter of 30 some odd years and my bodyman of 15 something years think is best. Overall I think the results will be stunning. And taking the whole car down to bare metal might of been nice it just really didn't need it!

But to each their own.

Your painter & body guys have been doing that for a long time. You are paying for it.

Opinions are probably provided in good faith and are always welcome.

If you were trying to create a show car, you probably would spend a whole bunch of money and that would not be an issue.

I look forward to future updates as I may learn something before I make a mistake on my project.

kirin · « **Reply #65 on:** October 07, 2006, 07:37:45 PM »

Actually my goal is to get a bit of press with this car.
However my main goal is to build something up that will last for years and something that I can drive and enjoy a lot. And it will be really clean since how many rotesseried beetles are out there?
-Kirin

silas · « **Reply #66 on:** October 07, 2006, 08:52:35 PM »

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And it will be really clean since how many rotesseried beetles are out there?
-Kirin

since i dont see a difference between pan-off and rotisserie...i can think of quite a few cars. it's really nothing new.

good luck on the project. as long as it remains fun and educational, that's all that matters.

kirin · « **Reply #67 on:** October 08, 2006, 12:07:13 PM »

I think mostly the difference is the ease of working on the under side. I think its a cool concept. I doubt it will catch on but I'm having fun doing it this way.

I hope to learn a lot from this project and carry whatever I can from this one onto my next.... Which I'm hoping will be a bus. But I'm far from that right now..
-Kirin

Matt · « **Reply #68 on:** October 08, 2006, 01:22:39 PM »

I'm pretty sure that's not what Silas meant. He's a smart cat, and probably knows what a rotisseri is.

It doesn't matter if your car is on a spit, or saw-horses, or concrete blocks. Neither of those determine the final outcome, only quality craftsmanship really matters. I can think of more than a handfull of really clean cars here locally that didn't see a rotisseri. It's also not a new idea, it's already caught on, your bug is not the first car to see a rotisseri.

Shane · « **Reply #69 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:28:06 PM »

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I'm pretty sure that's not what Silas meant. He's a smart cat, and probably knows what a rotisseri is.

It doesn't matter if your car is on a spit, or saw-horses, or concrete blocks. Neither of those determine the final outcome, only quality craftsmanship really matters. I can think of more than a handfull of really clean cars here locally that didn't see a rotisseri. It's also not a new idea, it's already caught on, your bug is not the first car to see a rotisseri.

Hans single cab has been on one for about 15years and counting

kirin · « **Reply #70 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:08:55 AM »

Going to pick up Seaberts new shoes today.
Pan blasted and came out beautifull.. Just needs a tad bit of metal work to get it up to my standard.

Oh yeah the wheel choice...

egspot · « **Reply #71 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:28:02 AM »

Great looking wheels. Those are going to look awesome.

steveo_32 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 25, 2006, 11:35:55 PM »

Well Kirin, I would not spend too much on that wreck. Why dont you just go buy some Plasticote #362 Rust not Black and call it a resto!!

Looks really good dude!

Lanny · « **Reply #73 on:** October 26, 2006, 06:46:43 AM »

Your body/ paint guys are correct. The factory baked finish is excellent once the respray has been sanded off. The rotisserie will help with the finished product. The next time you see a 'restored' car on a hoist, check out the bodywork. 99.9% of cars done on the ground will look pretty poor on a hoist . Stephan Feeg did a great job on DD's 55 by tilting the body almost 90 degrees to prep the underside, a great trick. I'll say it again, mock up, mock up, mock up...

kirin · « **Reply #74 on:** October 26, 2006, 09:12:58 PM »

Hey Lanny,
Thanks for the words of wisdom. Definetly going off of your mock model of building. BTW Neil Macdonald my body guy says hello.

Stopped by today and checked out the pan. Couldn't get any really good photos of it. However it came out nice. There will be a battery patch that has to be fixed. And there was a little bit of a hole in it that blew through. However it should be fixed up soon.

However I did take a few photos today of the wheels.

Any ideas where I can get the last sticker recreated?

silas · « **Reply #75 on:** October 26, 2006, 11:47:41 PM »

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Your body/ paint guys are correct. The factory baked finish is excellent once the respray has been sanded off.

that's good information.

factory baked finish vs. blasted & primed. i'm not trying to discredit either method, but are they equally comparable or is one method better than the other?

i love the shift pattern drawn on that sticker.

kirin · « **Reply #76 on:** November 01, 2006, 09:55:48 PM »

Well I've been busy as have the body shop...

First I got distracted by beating on the daily driver...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKAA_7hCct8

But most importantly...
My floor pan has been getting a makeover!

I think it came out pretty well. Plans are to clean up some of the welding slag. Make it look a bit more\"Finished\" And then give it a really nice coat of glossy black!

Cut out the old one...

Can anyone tell me if the drivers side is raised up to much? It was pretty dented...

Nother shot of the pan. That tool in the foreground is called a \"Monkey bar\" Or something like that. Good for striaghtening things and such. Pretty cool tool!

Finally anybody got framehead? :lol:

AirCooledRules · « **Reply #77 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:00:53 PM »

The car is looking awesome, looks like everyone is full steam ahead on their projects. i just dropped off my fenders to get blasted and should have the rest of the body there in a months time. ill catch up =)

kirin · « **Reply #78 on:** November 04, 2006, 10:49:42 AM »

Well you might catch up and pass me. But true quality actually takes time.

Good luck with your build Borat!

AirCooledRules · « **Reply #79 on:** November 04, 2006, 05:46:14 PM »

No, i dont think ill pass. im looking to win my class at great canadian 2008. i started the build oct 1st. so its going but ill need another 6 months or so to get a feel for how well im doing for time. not rushing anything. spent the last 2 years collecting all the parts i would need. now its full steam ahead.

i like your steelies.

p.s. seeing the pan in bare metal is very motivating.

silas · « **Reply #80 on:** November 04, 2006, 06:04:56 PM »

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im looking to win my class at great canadian 2008.

they're going to have a \"polished turd\" class at the gcvws 2008?

Chris · « **Reply #81 on:** November 04, 2006, 06:20:30 PM »

no its polish turd

doubledoor · « **Reply #82 on:** November 04, 2006, 06:24:57 PM »

Ki Ki quality takes time but you couldn't even take off the torsion plates and the left rear brake line before blasting?

Keep up the good work

kirin · « **Reply #83 on:** November 04, 2006, 08:55:07 PM »

Har har doubledoor.
Don't think I'm going to let it be that way. My body guy rushed the pan out the door before I could finish up stripping it. Rest assured my car will far exceed rebuilder quality.

And its far from being a finished product...

Pipes · « **Reply #84 on:** November 06, 2006, 12:44:06 PM »

Looks like its rolling along nicely man.

Geoff · « **Reply #85 on:** November 06, 2006, 02:02:45 PM »

Lookin good Ki Ki

Andrew Holliday · « **Reply #86 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:06:23 PM »

Lookin good so far Kirin, here' a little inspiration for ya!

http://www.snapriot.com/index.php?pageId=1...e=&search_mode=

slammedbus · « **Reply #87 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:00:38 PM »

Ok Kiki. You need to relax youngster. I have watched this go on for quite some time now. You post, people throw out a line to bait you, you react. It was really quite funny to watch for the first year. Matt making you spin up at the drop of a hat always was a personal favorite of mine. It is just too easy. You just need to see the trap and don't fall in young feller.

kirin · « **Reply #88 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:56:14 PM »

Are you sure your writing in the right post Slammed bus?

Seriously though I know what your talking bout. Check the history I've calmed down a lot. About Jakub well don't even start with that..

Greg · « **Reply #89 on:** November 07, 2006, 10:32:55 PM »

Don't make fun of Kiki just because he's Emo, make fun of him because it makes him feel accepted