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Offline 72vwtype2

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« on: September 23, 2005, 11:49:52 PM »
I am considering buying a 70ish beetle. But I was wondering what are some of the differences between the Beetle and Super Beetle? Is one more desireable than the other? Any other info would be appreciated about the differences.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2005, 12:06:47 AM »
if you intend to do any customizing to the vehicle, such as lowering it, the costs are higher on a super beetle, or at least from what I recall, they look funy with there rounded windshields and various other strange details.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2005, 12:12:42 AM »
If you want a beetle that is the most like a \"Real\" car then a super beetle fits the bill. They have a real front suspension(Macpherson strut) which should open up a fair amount of strut/spring combo's for you. If you want to build a beetle to handle and have ceaper parts prices a super fits the bill.  If I didn't get the 62 the way i did I would of bought a super.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2005, 12:20:13 AM »
It all depends on personal taste.  Lick the bug you wish to purchase and if it taste good buy it :D  
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2005, 07:56:33 AM »
So many people think Supers only have a curved windsheild, and when they see a flat windsheild super they think it is a regular beetle, Get a 71-72 super for the flat windsheild.  Lowering struts and springs are cheaper than a beam and spindles by a long shot( probably $200-300)  to get up to 4\" of drop on a super.  Handling is much better.  You can fit more storage in the front too.

Most people who do not own a beetle or are into vw's only notices that you have a \"beetle\".  They are oblivious to a curved windsheild and rounded front end, or larger taillights.  They are more intrested in doing a \"punch buggy to there buddy.  All beetles to them are old.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2005, 08:15:58 AM »
I'm starting to do up a 71 super w/metal unroof.  The round front and the flat winsheild are a cool combo in my mind.

They look a little funny at stock ride height (front is really high), but they look awesome when they are lowered!

Its all personal taste.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2005, 08:16:45 AM »
Most people who are new to the VW scene can't really tell, early, late, super etc. As time passes and you begin to notice the differences, most enthusiasts will lean towards the earlier models. Compare the diiference between a 51 Split cloth interior to a 73 plastic interior. IMHO, an early car with late mechanicals(brakes/engine/trans/electrical) is the way to go. Supers have a knack of shaking front ends at highway speeds. Supers usually have defrost(laughs) fans. Pros and cons to both.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2005, 09:15:12 AM »
I am leaning towards the 71/72 Supers, because of the flat windshield. It seems to be the last thing it retains from the early beetles. How about the drive train and options? I believe the motors were the same in both the regular beetle and Supers? Did the Super have more options or a nicer interior?
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2005, 09:25:03 AM »
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Supers Suck and all should be hacked ]:(  
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2005, 02:00:49 PM »
Don't hate and don't discriminate. All v.w.'s have different things that appeal to different people, and thats why we don't buy Hondas.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2005, 02:06:07 PM »
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Don't hate and don't discriminate. All v.w.'s have different things that appeal to different people, and thats why we don't buy Hondas.
Ummmm .....my lawn mower is a honda. :mellow:  But It's air cooled :D  
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2005, 03:12:18 PM »
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Supers Suck and all should be hacked >:(
I was trying to be a bit more subtle..
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2005, 03:37:43 PM »
Sorry, Sometimes I get carried away... :blush:
 
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2005, 04:30:58 PM »
As much as I HATE to agree with Pointblank.  Supers' and anything but.....  
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2005, 11:10:10 AM »
!967  the only year worth considering! :D  
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2005, 12:50:14 PM »
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!967  the only year worth considering! :D
If you are into that sort of thing... Funny Headlights and all ;)  
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2005, 01:07:26 PM »
If you want your car to handle and have creature comforts... a \"real\" dashboard more soundeadening.. and did I mention handling and none goofy rear suspension technology late is where its at.
Somewhere in my future lies a dark super on Porsche wheels, big brakes, sway bars, stroker t4 with EFI and turbo.
Hulk what? Apex sure!
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2005, 01:07:38 PM »
Yep ! headlights that actually work :P  
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2005, 02:31:37 PM »
Amen bro!
None of that sealed beam BS!
Hella H-4's all the way!
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2005, 06:47:39 PM »
Any idiot can convert an early beetle to have H4 Headlights.  Hell you can even go Xeon if you like.  A simple conversion that most everyone has already done to a daily driver pre '67.  A real dashboard?  You referring to that hunk of black foam that don't do  crap other than crack?  As for creature comforts.  Name one real creature comfort that a late Stuper beetle has.  Now handling...... lets see.  In order to make the Stuper Beetle handle exactly how much weight did they have to add? A 1960 Beetle weighs in @1609lbs; a 1974 stuper beetle @ 1984lbs.  That's a hell of a lot of weight to overcome with Hp.  You want to accelerate or go around a corner?  Sorry but a stuper beetle is a hard sell.

 
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2005, 08:27:39 PM »
The super VS Standard debate let it begin.
First off lets think of what those 300 lb's were added for. Safety(Shock bumpers, something of a crash cell, door impact beams? Thicker structure....) Sound deadening, Macpherson struts(Pretty simple).

Weight is easier to over come with HP. With a super instead of basically a tractor front suspension you get a real strut system with geometry. Lets not even talk about the ox cart rear suspension. I believe Nader called the swing axle for its badness. I like IRS and once you've driven a car with IRS in the back and struts up front.....

By 1975 the super beetle was such a choked car compared to say the 62.
Don't get me wrong you can make the early car's handle... I tried with mine and then just went the way of the strut...
Theres a super in my future...
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2005, 10:05:34 PM »
If safety were the concern nobody would be driving beetles.  They were designed for an European market where the bumper heights were much lower.  Austin mini being a prime example.  They stopped importing them because of their bumper heights.  The fact that VW made adjustments to accomidate was a compromise.  You can't tell me that the Stuper Beetle would save you anymore than my '64 from a collision with ANY SUV of full size truck.  Face it the only accident you are gonna walk away from is with another VW beetle.

In short the Stuper Beetle was nothing more than a feeble attempt of VW trying to accomidate the US market.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Remember that in late '74 VW came out with the Rabbit (golf in europe) which was the next big deal.  \"the econobox\"
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2005, 10:09:05 PM »
supers bring to mind two words...

fat chick.

you either have to be really drunk or really desperate.
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2005, 10:35:21 PM »
Hey Big Kirin,were is the Tweds when u need him.He Will give us 1001 reasons why Supers are better,and I am sure there are many reasons why they are............But I can't help but say they still suck,ohh did I say that out loud.Sorry about that just personal pref.,but I guess they are a little more like a bimmer than a early car..LOLOLO  ;)      TJ
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2005, 10:39:53 PM »
Dammit Jim, why'd you have to go rattle his cage some more?
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2005, 10:58:21 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2005, 08:15:03 AM »
Alright.. Personal preference is personal preference.
Parts are cheaper though for supers I swear and they just seem more disposable..


So I guess when it comes to the beetle arguement I am a chubby chaser....
I admit it.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2005, 08:57:45 AM »
Just like I said before it's a matter of taste :)  And my taste say supers are crap . but it is no reason to hack them up.  
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2005, 05:43:42 PM »
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Alright.. Personal preference is personal preference.
Parts are cheaper though for supers I swear and they just seem more disposable..


So I guess when it comes to the beetle arguement I am a chubby chaser....
I admit it.
yes your right supers are disposable.
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2005, 06:15:13 PM »
Hell ya, Hack them up and make HebRod's outta the front clip.....

]]]Finally a good use of Stuper technology[[[
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