thats why im gonna like this place, ive been reading and you guys really know your stuff. :lol: ok so i had a 56 bus with dual pass. side doors . I never really got anywhere with that thing ........im goin to pick up the oval this morning , ill get some pics up tonight. its going to need a lot of work , i think it was a baha at one time but it has aprons on it now ,the wrong year aprons . once its in the drive way ill have a better idea where i want to go with this , but leaning towards low, wide and fast . thanx for the welcome , see you guys at airspeed real soon . B)