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Offline biffa

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Air care woes...
« on: August 07, 2011, 04:11:48 PM »
calling all gurus...

I have been having a hell of a time trying to get thru air care, particularly getting the hydrocarbons down during the idle test. I have been at 2000 ppm since last year and the last 4 tries! Aug 6 put that guarantee to pass air care additive in my fuel tank and ran out to chilliwack and back and first went to mission then aldergrove to add  more mileage to meet the minimum 250 km for the additive, the same day only to drop about 180 or so ppm. Have fixed so many things and wondering now if my carbs are not set up properly for my engine?

1776 with dual 34 mm webers. Compression test averages 176 on all 4 cylinders, timing is retarded 5 degrees. Idle screw is 1-1.5 turns to keep it idling. Put in new spark plugs wires and cleaned the plugs, drivers side a bit oily wet but not bad passenger side normal colour. Have removed the carbs and the jets are at .52, and researched some info on webers they say the jets for duals should be .60 could this be the difference?

Before aug 6, discovered the fuel pump was pushing 6 psi and webers need 3 psi. Fixed that and thought air care in a can and that would do it, but only a HC drop of about 180 ppm. Best reading yet...

The dwell is at about 26 and the idle is set at about 1000 rpm. Use high octane gas, could that be an issue?

Planning On visiting someone with a gas analyzer to find out what going on in the engine....

Any and all suggestions appreciated!!

Thanks,
Ken


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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 05:09:52 PM »
Advance your timing and richen the idle mixture, if you've got access to a meter even better, set it just below the threshhold listed on your result sheet. Retarded timing and lean idle causes a misfire which will peg the Hc meter as you've discovered.

Whats' you VIN or reg # so we can all view the test results?
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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 02:43:46 PM »
The dwell is at about 26
Can't be.  The dwell spec is 47º ± 3º.

All those tests where you scored 2000 ppm HC, the real value was much higher.  At 2000, you've pegged the meter.

Your engine size is listed as 1.7 liters.  Since a 62 originally came with a 1192cc engine, you should tell them to change the size to 1.1 liters.  Aircare allows you to truncate the engine size.  By changing the engine size, you gain a small bit of headroom on the cutoffs.  It's not much, but it's a legitimate change.

Don't use high octane or any other snake oil treatment, they don't work.  Same goes for dumping methanol in the tank.  Just use regular gas.

Your driving CO% says your idle jets are the right size.
Your idle CO% says you have the mixture screws set right.

I suspect you have a misfire.  If your car does one single misfire on the aircare test, it will blow the HC off the map.  I bet you have the chronic idle-on-two-cylinders problem.  A good way to tell this is to use one of those infra-red temp guns.  Aim it at each exh pipe as the engine's idling.  If you find one or 2 cold ones, there's your problem.

What is your timing?

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2011, 03:05:55 PM »
Bruce is right, kadrons, baby dells and ict's tend run on the two rear cylinders at idle as they share a common plenum and the pulse of the other cylinders tends to disrupt the flow. Do you have a balance tube on the manifolds?

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 03:51:10 PM »
oh, that was a typo...the dwell is at 46. the timing is 5 degrees after TDC. I thought the emissions test was based on engine size...

There is no balance tube, as far as I know webers don't have this?

Some interesting points... will try a few things suggested, and will post again with anything significant.

Thanks to all.

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 04:28:10 PM »
I have nothing to add, except that this is a very intersting subject. I'm enjoying reading this discussion, especially with guys like this who know their stuff.
I hope you get it sorted out quickly. Keep up the good work guys.

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 09:16:30 PM »
.... the timing is 5 degrees after TDC.
This is too retarded like BD said.  What distributor do you have?  What is the total advance at 3-4k rpm?

I thought the emissions test was based on engine size...
  It is.  But since all 62s came with a 1.1 liter engine, you can justify calling it that.  As I said above, this gets you more room on the cutoffs.

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 09:59:02 PM »
Gotta get that section on the  site called....." ask bruce ", keep up the good work as I love all the info and how do you store all of that stuff?
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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 08:47:51 PM »
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Thanks for all the suggestions!! Finally passed today! Final changes:

replaced the idle jets from 52 to 60
installed a balance tube
advanced timing from 5 to 2.5 atdc
went through with a cat muffler
changed engine size from 1.7 to 1.2 litre (for luck!)

Results:

Driving HC - 9 ppm (old) 37
Driving CO - 0 % vs (old) 1.08
Driving NOX- 467 ppm (old) 740

idle HC - 30 ppm (old) 1819
idle CO - .06 % (old) 2.27


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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 09:47:12 PM »
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went through with a cat muffler


This has done wonders for alot of people and was probably the only change you had to make.... lol_hitting

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Re: Air care woes...
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 08:09:43 AM »
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went through with a cat muffler


This has done wonders for alot of people and was probably the only change you had to make.... lol_hitting

that's true Billy but now with the changes he did his engine should run and perform better.
Good to hear it passed!