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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: silas on August 14, 2006, 12:02:19 AM
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attention owners of acvw's with stock motors. beetles, ghias, notches, squares, fastbacks, busses, single cabs, westies, buggies, rails...
i am encouraging you all to bring your acvw's out to mission raceway this friday the 18th to participate in the stock motor challenge. this will be a good way to get some more vw's on the track and also give the owners a chance to take some runs down the 1/4 mile.
rules...
- must run a stock displacement motor
- no turbos or nos
- must make at least 2 passes (the more you make, the better chance you have at winning)
to pass tech you will need...
- lap belt
- battery hold down
- back seat over the battery (beetles)
- no more than 12\"s of rubber fuel line
- no hubcaps
- all your lugnuts torqued to spec
- pants, shoes, and long sleeve shirt (no shorts, sandals, or wife/husband beaters)
- no plastic or glass fuel filters (airspeed sells billet aluminum fuel filters for cheap or you can just run hose directly from the fuel pump to the carb...as long as you dont have more than 12\"s total rubber line on the car)
more tech specs here...
http://www.missionraceway.com/mrprules/06f...fridayrules.htm (http://www.missionraceway.com/mrprules/06fridayrules.htm)
i'm sure we'll all get through tech fine. just say that you have a stock motor and that you dont expect to run anything faster than 20 seconds.
also, from the mission raceway website...
Friday Night Street Legal Spectators and Racers:
Gates open at 4:30 p.m., racing starts at 5:30 p.m. and ends at approx. 11:00 p.m. (weather permitting).
Spectator admission - $5.00
Racer admission - $25.00 (includes car & driver)
Children 12 and under always FREE with an adult
Parking always FREE
Please note that tech cards will be sold from 5:00 p.m. until dark, or 7:30 p.m. (there is a 225 maximum count on race car entries).
No spectators are permitted to park in the Pit area.
NOTE: All above prices are in Canadian dollars. These prices apply to regular events only and prices are subject to change. We welcome all American visitors and racers. All prices include GST unless otherwise specified.
prizes and bragging rights for...
- best reaction time
- fastest mph
- lowest et
i will have a chart with all the entrants names and car #'s on it and after each run it is the drivers responsibility to bring their time slip to me so i can record all the info needed.
if you arrive late and want to join in, find me and we'll get you signed up. remember tho, you must be able to make at least 2 passes to qualify for prizes & bragging rights.
i have wanted to try out the 1/4 mile for quite some time. i figure this weekend is as good as any to try it out. i encourage anyone interested to join me. the more acvw's we have on that track, the better. the more stockers we have, the more fun this challenge will be.
the most important part of this event is to have fun.
anyone who is interested should reply below so we can start to figure out who's going to show it... B)
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Great Idea Silas
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DOOD! sheer brilliance...
if i can pick up/change my fuel filters in time, i'm soooo in. :rockon:
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dont forget a bottle for the overflow on your radiator :P
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why oh why do i have to work that night?
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I'll be there Silas so count me in. My fastback's going back on the road on Thursday.
I'm assuming braided rubber hose is OK right? It is factory-spec replacement FI hose .... not that I'm expecting anyone to hassle me with this POS B)
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Is it no more 12\" total in the whole car of rubber fuel hose , or no more than 12\" for any one piece of rubber hose ? (12\" for any one piece is the way I once understood it.. but? )
Because every type 1 or 3 etc. probably has close to 12\" of hose under the gas tank alone.
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marty - if you're driving your bus down, you should join in the fun.
amish - i think you'll be feeling under the weather on friday. too sick to go to work but just well enough to join us at the races. ;)
1976bus - i looked under the bonnet at the front of my bettle but i couldnt see where the coolant goes. is the overflow bottle hidden behind one of my bumbers? :blink:
hans - i imagine it is 12\" total. i could be wrong, but that is what i have heard from bruce & geoff. hopefully you're right. i have called mission and left messages but they havent gotten back to me yet. i have about 5\"s under the tank, another 5\"s at the rear of the tunnel, and about 8\"s from the pump to the carb. so i'm over by a bit, but i cant see tech getting really picky about a few extra \"s.
moni & gutterslug & anyone else concerned about the fuel filters. there are options...
- in beetles you could relocate it to under the car beside the trans where it is hidden
- you could replace it with fuel line (as long as it is approved fuel line it should be safe...braided...rubber...ect)
- you can purchase a billet aluminum filter from airspeed
- or you can tell the tech guys that this is the first and only time you race your car all year and if you raced more often you would definately change it.
i'm really looking forward to this and the more people that jump onboard the more fun and challenging it will be.
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1976bus - i looked under the bonnet at the front of my bettle but i couldnt see where the coolant goes. is the overflow bottle hidden behind one of my bumbers? :blink:
Actually its a dish attached to the inside of the front right tire, it uses centrifugal force to retain fluid.
FYI, when I raced my bus 2 years ago it passed tech as is. Important things are battery hold down, dont even bother trying if that is not done. No loose objects in the passenger compartment. No hubcaps, and if your car looks rough expect them to be rough on you about the tech.
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dual carbs, yes? no? extra fuel line inches if its a yes?
mines got duals and that is the only reason im over 12\" in rubber fuel line
does airspeed carry hold downs as well as the fuel filters?
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Actually its a dish attached to the inside of the front right tire, it uses centrifugal force to retain fluid.
cool...that's how i retain fluid too.
FYI, when I raced my bus 2 years ago it passed tech as is. Important things are battery hold down, dont even bother trying if that is not done. No loose objects in the passenger compartment. No hubcaps, and if your car looks rough expect them to be rough on you about the tech.
thanks for the heads up.
dual carbs, yes? no? extra fuel line inches if its a yes?
mines got duals and that is the only reason im over 12\" in rubber fuel line
does airspeed carry hold downs as well as the fuel filters?
dual carbs are ok. your extra fuel line should be allright. i dont know if airspeed sells battery hold downs but i know they sell metal fuel filters. give them a ring. 604-881-2233.
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i think i might take this chance to run some braided steel line, looks nice and id be able to cut down on my rubber ;)
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come on out stockers and let's have some fun. B)
to make it easier for all those people taking part in the stock motor challenge to find me, i will be pitted next to jim martin and his big grey enclosed trailer and green & gold suburban.
this will make for a good meeting place to record times and hang out.
i will be driving my black 64 sunroof beetle.
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Hey Silas, stock class ,awsome Idea ... I'm bringing my 68 beetle ...we were going to do it anyways but this makes it way more fun!!!...will beetles be able to up against van's..I got a bit of a grudge match with shawn and his 72. we should both be there ...possibly with a few of the crew in tow...see ya there!!javascript:emoticon(':rockon:')
smilie
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- must run a stock displacement motor
- no turbos or nos
- must make at least 2 passes (the more you make, the better chance you have at winning)
What no turbo's!!!
Kevin
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Actually its a dish attached to the inside of the front right tire, it uses centrifugal force to retain fluid.
must make it pretty hard for the dog to get a drink?
:wub:
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dual carbs, yes? no?
dual carbs are ok.
Whoa there! What Beetle ever came stock with dual carbs? Duals would easily give a 20% hp advantage over stockers. I bet that car also has a tuned 4 into 1 header too????? Probably an 009 (with a more agressive advance curve) too.
If you are gonna call it a STOCK class, it should be STOCK.
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I agree
How about stock and modified.
Kevin
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Hey Silas, stock class ,awsome Idea ... I'm bringing my 68 beetle ...we were going to do it anyways but this makes it way more fun!!!...will beetles be able to up against van's..I got a bit of a grudge match with shawn and his 72. we should both be there ...possibly with a few of the crew in tow...see ya there!!javascript:emoticon(':rockon:')
smilie
that's awesome carlos.
afaik, when cars are in the staging lanes and getting close to running, you can make a request to the track official (who stands at the front of the line waving the next pair of racers in) to pair up with a fellow racer. just make sure that the two of you are in line together, and the track official will do his/her best to pair you up.
bruce & kevin, i understand what you two are saying. however, the rules state...
rules...
- must run a stock displacement motor
- no turbos or nos
i have a 009 and header with dual quiet packs on my 64 so i when i was thinking of rules i couldnt rule myself out. ;)
the way it is now is the way it stands. the #1 rule of this class is to have fun.
if anyone wishes to start another class, i say go for it.
btw bruce, i thought you were going to bring your mexi beetle out for a run?
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Stock within reason how's that? Pre-judge all the cars entered before the racing starts and go from there. Sound good?
My car ('73 fastback) is a stock FI'd-motor with 109,752 k's on it and it has a blue coil and a header in case it matters.
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Stock within reason how's that? Pre-judge all the cars entered before the racing starts and go from there. Sound good?
My car ('73 fastback) is a stock FI'd-motor with 109,752 k's on it and it has a blue coil and a header in case it matters.
there are three rules...
rules...
- must run a stock displacement motor
- no turbos or nos
- must make at least 2 passes (the more you make, the better chance you have at winning)
the only judging that will take place before entering is to make sure there is no hair drier and no laughing gas. i will take the owners word that they are running a stock displacement motor.
you can run a total gutwagen with slicks, berg 5 speed, stinger, and clear distributor cap if you like. as long as the car is powered by a stock displacement motor with no turbo or nos and you make 2+ runs, we're good to go. B)
i apologize for not being more specific earlier, but it is what it is.
i'm looking forward to this. so far it looks like gutter, carlos, shawn and myself are in.
anyone else? come on people...it'll be fun. :rockon:
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im 100% in on this
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right on.
gutter, carlos, shawn, amishrabbi and myself.
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dont forget the buses!!
Needles and myself did that 2 years ago!
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dont forget the buses!!
Needles and myself did that 2 years ago!
absolutely.
so far it looks like shawn (aka...bongbus...aka...butterball) is the only type 2 to step up.
and gutter is the only type 3 so far.
a good mix...but we need more...come on y'all, let's have some fun. B)
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the #1 rule of this class is to have fun.
The the way to have fun is to have a competitive class where everyone stands a chance of winning. With dual carbs, anyone with a stock carb has ZERO chance of winning. Where's the fun in that?
an 009 and/or a header does not add that much hp over stock, so including them does not give much of an advantage.
I gotta question why someone with dual carbs would want to call their engine \"stock\".
A totally stock late Beetle will be able to cover the
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Wish I could be there...sounds like a good time!
How about posting results here afterwards?? That would be interesting to see the various stock engine combinations and see what differences certain bolt-ons make.
Assuming you're all equally awesome drivers that is!
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I gotta question why someone with dual carbs would want to call their engine \"stock\".
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say because they are not as ANAL as some folk. Quite a few type 3's came stock with dual carbs.
The whole idea here is to give non-Hi performance VW engines a chance at the track. Don't wanna join in on the class, don't. Is this rocket science? no, it's FUN[/size]
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Bruce why dont you just stay home this weekend :P
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the #1 rule of this class is to have fun.
The the way to have fun is to have a competitive class where everyone stands a chance of winning. With dual carbs, anyone with a stock carb has ZERO chance of winning. Where's the fun in that?
an 009 and/or a header does not add that much hp over stock, so including them does not give much of an advantage.
I gotta question why someone with dual carbs would want to call their engine "stock".
A totally stock late Beetle will be able to cover the
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so i was in on this but for reason explained in my thread im now not
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the #1 rule of this class is to have fun.
The the way to have fun is to have a competitive class where everyone stands a chance of winning.
bruce, the way you serve that up gives me a golden opportunity to tear you a new asshole....but i had too much fun losing tonight so i'm in a good mood.
afaik, all the participants that took part in the stock motor challenge had a blast winning and losing. i know i did. i'm still trying to wipe the shit eating grin off my face. carlos, mike and i all agreed that we would love to continue racing until the wee hours of the morning if the track stayed open.
i would like to thank moni, mike, carlos, ember and bruce (embers father) for all showing up and getting involved and having fun. the amount of enthusiasm was phenominal and it was a great chance for all of us to tear up the quarter mile. well done.
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Quite a few type 3's came stock with dual carbs.
And since Type 3s are considerably heavier than a Beetle, they don't have an unfair advantage when they have dual carbs.
\"The whole idea here is to give non-Hi performance VW engines a chance at the track.\"
I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm glad to see someone understands my point. If you want to attract stockers, leave the hi performance dual carb'd Beetles for another class.
This whole debate is just like the silly \"what is a street car\" on the CLF. Over there they had cars with NO COOLING system claiming to be street cars, vying for the coveted CLF top 20 street cars class.
If you're gonna call it a class for stock engines, it should be at least close to stock.
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im so upset i missed this ]:(
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What will a 1960s beetle with a 1600 dp, 009, 1 3/8 or 1 1/2 j pipes and header, power pulley, and dual dellortos or Kads44s (classed as a stocker) will do in the 1/4 mile?
I could make a car like that go mid 16s.
My first car was a 69 Beetle with an engine very similar to that. The gearing of a 69 is taller than a 66 or older, so slower. Also a 69 is heavier than an early 60s car. I got 16.9s out of my car at Ashcroft (higher elevation = slower)
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So, Bruce, did you take part in the \"Stock Motor Challenge\"?
NO?!?!?
all your bitchin and you didn't even join in on their fun??
I guess there is always one.
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Not only was this class limited to \"stock\" engines, many of the partisipants (Silas, Simone, et.al.) have never been down the track. Any seasoned racer knows that with practise comes significant improvment in your ETs, even if you make no changes to the car. Since I've been racing for over 20 years, I know exactly how to extract the most from my car without experimentation. My engine is totally stock, but my ETs were considerably faster than what Silas told me they were running. I thought it better to not enter to give the newbies more competition. The ear-to-ear grin on Silas' face was what prompted me to not be the \"ringer\" to take away the fun.
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at the gcvws i got a chance to present all the participants of the stock motor challenge with their awards. each participant recieved an award, gold medal, and \"caution-do not lower windows at speeds in excess of 120mph\" stickers.
carlos - winner of the \"ran it/broke it/fixed it/ran it\" award. this guy is hardcore. broke his accelerator cable on his first run, sourced out a replacement cable from someone in the pits, re&re'd cable, and went on to make 2 more passes. he also had the lowest and loudest (stereo) car.
mike (gutterslug) - winner of the \"heaviest car/only type 3\" award. mike never got a chance to hit the scales, but we are estimating that his type 3 is at least 2000lbs...probably more, so he was at least 250lbs heavier than the rest of the cars. and he was running some super quick times. good job mike.
ember & bruce (her father)- winners of the \"farthest travelled/youngest driver\" award. they came all the way from quesnel. totally cool. and ember used to race snow mobiles and now she's piloting acvws...so you know she's going to kick butt. unfortunately i didnt see ember or bruce at the gcvws so i couldnt present them with their awards. if anyone knows how to get ahold of them, pm me so i can get them their goods.
moni- winner of the \"best rt\" award. at .254 moni was out of the gates quick which must have made for a great 60ft time. also, the fact that moni pulled her 67 out, got the permit, raced on friday and drove it all over the place the rest of the weekend was just awesome. great job moni.
silas- winner of the \"fastest mph\" award at 65.79mph and the \"lowest et\" award of 19.391. it took me about 19.391 to pull the horseshoe out of my ass too. i got lucky. the competition was fierce and all the times and mphs were close and consistent.
i hope to organize something like this again next season and possibly review the rules. hopefully we can get alot more cars out next time and have just as much fun.
again, i want to thank all the participants for their effort and enthusiasm. the stock motor challenge would not have been the same without you. what a cool bunch of people. smiles and good times all around.