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Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Cameron on July 20, 2006, 10:50:17 AM

Yes! You read that correctly. I ran my 67 Beetle through AirCare this morning, and passed.

Normally, this would be no big deal. But my 67 is running a large displacement motor, with a big cam, and 48 IDA Webers.

Hooray!

No need for \"special insurance\"!  
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Geoff on July 20, 2006, 11:15:05 AM
Nice Job Cam!!!
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Rob DVKK on July 20, 2006, 11:46:21 AM
Cam,

We need to talk, I just need to get one pass (idle) for the modifed collector plates. Really don't want to have to change out the motor. What did you do, other than having a motor that is running right.

Rob
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Bruce on July 20, 2006, 12:01:34 PM
BTDT.
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Rob DVKK on July 20, 2006, 12:30:25 PM
I may be ignorant but \"BTDT.\" Huh?
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: jim martin on July 20, 2006, 01:25:58 PM
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Cam,

We need to talk, I just need to get one pass (idle) for the modifed collector plates. Really don't want to have to change out the motor. What did you do, other than having a motor that is running right.

Rob
rob fill us in on the modified collector plates


FOUND IT !!!
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Tom H. on July 20, 2006, 02:54:16 PM
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I may be ignorant but "BTDT." Huh?


Been There, Done That.


me too, sort of. but I had efi and a 86c.
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Darren on July 20, 2006, 04:41:02 PM
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BTDT.
You had an 88 *94 with a big cam?
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Stephan Schmidt on July 20, 2006, 04:48:35 PM
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You had an 88 *94 with a big cam?
Wow!  2442cc, 48 IDA's and a big cam through aircare.

Very impressive Cameron!

Stephan
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Hansk on July 20, 2006, 05:56:51 PM
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Normally, this would be no big deal. But my 67 is running a large displacement motor, with a big cam, and 48 IDA Webers.

 
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  You didn't mention how large for the folks Cameron. ;)  ;)


Nice job Cameron!!  What size idle jets?
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: silas on July 20, 2006, 06:45:41 PM
great news cam. good job.

how's the overheating issue?
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: G-dog on July 20, 2006, 07:05:37 PM
I'm impressed my friend ! I'm on the home stretch for project 67 .I put the motor in and am working on final assembly . hopefully I'll pass Airdare next week .Wish me luck!!!! :blink:  
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: silas on July 20, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
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I'm impressed my friend ! I'm on the home stretch for project 67 .I put the motor in and am working on final assembly . hopefully I'll pass Airdare next week .Wish me luck!!!! :blink:
good luck gare-osouras-rex.  :rockon:  
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Bruce on July 20, 2006, 07:26:24 PM
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You had an 88 *94 with a big cam?
Engle W-125 has a duration of 302
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: AlanU on July 20, 2006, 07:33:44 PM
Good to hear Cameron. Show us the specs.

What I love (being sarcastic)  about our flat4's is that its hit and miss. You can have it run perfect and then it can change. Although its not noticeable as you drive but on the gas analyser it can change.  

You can go through #1 lane and fail and then rotate the aircare building and go to #2 or #3 lane and pass. I've heard this on occasion. Sometimes carbs are just simply finicky and theres some luck involved.

With big cams and big A1 style mufflers theres alot of reversion. You can have \"sample of dilution\" and the aircare grunts will try to put a smaller hose to reduce the air intake from the large tailpipe.

5 more years of AirScam guaranteed. Absolutely a crock.

 
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Cameron on July 21, 2006, 10:24:38 AM
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Good to hear Cameron. Show us the specs.

What I love (being sarcastic)  about our flat4's is that its hit and miss.
Alan! Which specs are asking about? There was nothing \"hit and miss\" about this. I have an AFR meter (LC-1 & XD-1 combo), and used it to get the mixtures good enough to pass. It's a wonderful tool, and I would suggest  that more of you buy them. From Air Speed, of course.

Silas! Temp issues are going away, I changed back to full size pulley. As the motor gets more miles, cylinder head temps seem to be coming down. Runs below 325F, if I keep the revs over 3000 rpm.  Outside air temp makes a difference too.

Jim and Rob! I noticed that the requirements for modified collector plates have changed. I hope ICBC keeps on changing them! Who knows? Maybe, in a few years Jim and I, can register our cars too! Wishful thinking?
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Post by: Lanny on July 24, 2006, 06:32:35 AM
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BTDT.
How about, 'Way to go Cam'....
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Post by: Bruce on July 24, 2006, 01:23:30 PM
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Congratulations Cam.  This proves ......
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Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Geoff on July 24, 2006, 03:45:07 PM
QUOTE (Bruce @ Jul 20 2006, 06:26 PM)

Congratulations Cam. This proves ......  

.....



And now to make it even more confusing Bruce replies in Morse code (.....)

-.. ..- -- -... .- ... ...

 :D  
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Post by: Chris on July 24, 2006, 04:07:40 PM
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-.. ..- -- -... .- ... ...

 
Now thats uncalled for, well maybe not.
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: dannyboy on July 24, 2006, 05:39:09 PM
i cant believe i wasted my time translating that
 :D  
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: jim martin on July 24, 2006, 09:44:38 PM
bruce is right it is all in the set up.

 so many seam to think there is some magic  needed to get through aircare  
 but there is no magic needed .all you need is 3 things
-mechanically sound motor
-correctly set up ignition system
-carburation balanced and jetted
that is it .no magic.
if you fail it's because one of the three items are in need of some work.as well ,at times the aircare test can be a good judge  of your engines state of tune .and may be a big help in getting your car set-up correctly.
also i don't know of too many people who race there car at idle or under 3000 rpm so your jetting need not be any differant for street and race use.
i'm running the exact jetting i ran at aircare the only differance is when i switch fuel at the track i do run my idle mixture richer which is done just for a cooling aid ,this is done by adjusting the mixture screws and not the jets.
 


sorry i lied there is a bit of magic you could buy. :D
go to airspeed and get a LM1 and take the guesswork out of tuning.
after all you spent how much on your car/motor etc .why not milk every bit of performance out of it .

way to go cameron!!!. those 86c cams are sure aircare friendly


 
Title: 48 Ida Motor Passes Aircare
Post by: Bruce on July 26, 2006, 04:22:43 PM
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i'm running the exact jetting i ran at aircare the only differance is when i switch fuel at the track i do run my idle mixture richer which is done just for a cooling aid ,this is done by adjusting the mixture screws and not the jets.
 
My current engine passes exactly how it is setup for driving year round.  The mixture screws are very touchy, so much that I will never move them from the setting that passes.  When I drive to high elevation (Mexico City), I only swap in smaller idle jets.  The mixture screws stay exactly where they were when I passed at sea level.  This way I know it will pass again the next time through.