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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: Chris on December 20, 2005, 09:40:56 PM
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There not here yet but who wants to make a guess on how much power it puts out? Same combo as previously run.
Closest guess gets a brand new 2005 Manx Hot Wheel!
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such a tease.......
I got that hotwheels manx already so my guess is a whopping 93.7 HP.
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such a tease.......
I got that hotwheels manx already so my guess is a whopping 93.7 HP.
Well 1 big ass lump of coal for you.
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I've always liked the number so I'll say 440. :rockon:
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327
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318
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476
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479 AT THE WHEELS
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367
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what size motor/boost,etc .
at the crank i'll shoot for 325.
good luck shane!!!take a video
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305 :P
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306HAHAHAHAHA
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I know the engine size, boost and all the other good stuff but I ain't tellin!!!!! :rockon:
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472....
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More than anybody else in Canada....ever...All of us are in for a treat this next summer...It is going to be awsome.
Shane you must have a huge grin being there to see this all come together.
Kevin
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420 :rolleyes:
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463ish
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Well let's see. What boost are we talking about? the 15-17lbs it had before or the 30lbs he will have it set for so he can hit the #.
What fuel?
If James know more maybe he should tell everyone or it's not really much of a guessing game.
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At 30 PSI i guess 396HP and 328Ftlbs... and a 10.38 second life span... BBUUUWWWAAAHAHAHHAHAHA! :rockon:
Really i have no idea whats in this motor now..but it should be good!!
Good luck Shane :wub:
From your bestist buddy
Cale!!!
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I have been sworn to secrecy - but 30PSI sounds about right... plus a different internal combo.... C116 Baby!
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Wow, look at all those guesses....
I will tell you guys only this... and it is a guessing game....Just for fun...
I will be on C-16 cuz I like the smell...
and we will dyno at about 15 pounds and then I think we will take it up to 30 pounds.. So lets guess on the 30 pounds...
Now if they can only get that dyno running..
ps Geoff, we may have solved the mystery problem... but I am not going to say anything (my lack of knowledge) until after the dyno,
I feel like that 5yr boy waiting for his bike at Christmas...
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I would imagine T4 mains, Flanged crank...maybe JE pistons...and some autocraft or pauter cyls...
either way...its gonna be bad A$$!
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30 psi......550+ at the wheels
Kevin
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at 30 lbs im going to say about 386 at the wheels
gotta get me that manx!
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More than anybody else in Canada....ever...All of us are in for a treat this next summer...It is going to be awsome.
Shane you must have a huge grin being there to see this all come together.
Kevin
Are you for real?
Shaner will have his work cut out to beat the 10.13 @ 133 MPH I layed down 15 years ago in my old 66 Beetle. :o
( Most of you wouldn't know that because you probably wern't even into VW's back then...)
I would guess about 300-325 Rear wheel H.P. at 15 Lbs boost, And if he is adding Nitros on top of that... Who.the hell knows......
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hey darren, ive heard about your car but ive never seen a pic or heard about the combo, tell us more!
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i say 404 at the one wheel left on the track
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I heard it had a decent Maaco black paint job... B)
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Darrens car was red like his temper back then....oh and his hair. Anyway it was called the \"Tomato Bullet\" and it rocked! I remember seeing him get sidways down McPherson ave on the way back from the tire shop. That this was Freaking scary!
Back in the day at Seattle Darren would click off low 10's all the time. I do remember the one pass when there was just a little too much boost and heat in the head and a big chunk of it shot out the tail pipe and blew that head apart. Ahhh the good old days, I think he had it all fixed within a few hours. With that kind of power it takes a lot of work to keep it all going strong pass after pass.
Darren post a few pic's of the car. I may have some as well.
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350 - 370 at the wheels with fan belt. 25lbs boost ? why is this all going on so far down south? long ways from home ? vw paradise do know how to make some big power . real nice guys.
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Are you for real?
Shaner will have his work cut out to beat the 10.13 @ 133 MPH I layed down 15 years ago in my old 66 Beetle. :o
( Most of you wouldn't know that because you probably wern't even into VW's back then...)
I would guess about 300-325 Rear wheel H.P. at 15 Lbs boost, And if he is adding Nitros on top of that... Who.the hell knows......
ummmmm....If he is going to run 30 pounds he will be in the 9's.
Your # will be hard to beat, and could still stand, but there maybe 3 cars this year that could depending how hard they want to push it.
Kevin
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Are you for real?
Shaner will have his work cut out to beat the 10.13 @ 133 MPH I layed down 15 years ago in my old 66 Beetle. :o
( Most of you wouldn't know that because you probably wern't even into VW's back then...)
I would guess about 300-325 Rear wheel H.P. at 15 Lbs boost, And if he is adding Nitros on top of that... Who.the hell knows......
ummmmm....If he is going to run 30 pounds he will be in the 9's.
Your # will be hard to beat, and could still stand, but there maybe 3 cars this year that could depending how hard they want to push it.
Kevin
You obviously have no idea what it takes to run a car in the 9's, It's not all about boost and raw H.P.
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Yea... you either........That is why I said it will depend on how hard they want to push it. Most guys will let off the gas when it gets squirly....very few will lay into it harder and steer out of it. My guess is since these are high $$$ cars they will let off of it. Mind over matter ($$$)
Kevin
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:lol:
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I say 310 horse. I think most people are way off!
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399 at the wheels :mullet:
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\"Yea... you either........That is why I said it will depend on how hard they want to push it. Most guys will let off the gas when it gets squirly....very few will lay into it harder and steer out of it. My guess is since these are high $$$ cars they will let off of it. Mind over matter ($$$)\"
Oh boy here we go!
Maybe this one should go to the Thug room,LOL!
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Darren, I never saw it go, but remember hearing about your old 66 from Todd. That was quite a while back... when I thought Empi 8 spokes, and a clear dist. cap were cool. :lol: ;)
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It's all mute anyway.
Static horsepower is one thing. What counts is the numbers on the time slip. Everything else is just a dry hump.
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well, before or after the trans takes a dump?
after--ZERO!
:rockon:
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It's all mute anyway.
Static horsepower is one thing. What counts is the numbers on the time slip. Everything else is just a dry hump.
do you mean moot.
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its a simple guess people, my information is that Shane is running pretty close to the same setup as before, so lets put a guess out, its only a hot wheel.
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ummmmm....If he is going to run 30 pounds he will be in the 9's.
i dont think so. i'd have to agree with darren on this one. it isnt all boost and raw hp.
Your # will be hard to beat, and could still stand, but there maybe 3 cars this year that could depending how hard they want to push it.
whose? turbo jims? yes, a low 10 seems within reach for his car. shane? we'll soon see. darren d's? seems like it could run the #'s but it sounds like darren d's car and darren k's old car are completely different set-ups. i dont know the specs on darren k's old car, but it sounds like the old apples to oranges routine.
10.13 is a mighty fine #. after 15 years of holding the title, it's obviously not that easy to beat.
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Yea... you either........That is why I said it will depend on how hard they want to push it. Most guys will let off the gas when it gets squirly....very few will lay into it harder and steer out of it. My guess is since these are high $$$ cars they will let off of it. Mind over matter ($$$)
Kevin
Excuse me? Are you living under a rock or something?
I was probably running low 10's in a beetle and you were still sucking your thumb.
Perhaps you should take a look at who has built 90 %, no make that 98% of the engines and heads around here that go 12.99 or faster.
You have obviously never driven a fast VW before have you? That is unless you think a Turbo single port Pile of swapmeet parts is fast...
Why don't you give us a list of the fast cars and engines you have built and tell us how we should drive them?
As far a driving a fast rear engine beetle goes, it's like throwing a hammer in the air, the heavy end wants to come around, that's what happens in a beetle when the back get's light, and you have to stay into the gas pedal to some point or the ass end will swap, Knowing when to pedal it and when to let off the gas come with experience, There is a difference between balls and stupidity
So please tell us about all vast your experience in this area?
better yet bring that rocket ship of yours down here this summer and let's play!
Now i'm going out to the shop to finish up the Valve train on an 2332 EFI intercooled Turbo motor.
Fricken Moron.
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:lol:
Fricken Moron.
dont hold back, tell us how you really feel! :D
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Shane is running pretty close to the same setup as before
No he isn't.
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:lol:
dont hold back, tell us how you really feel! :D
If I did that I would probably be banned from the forums.
Dan, I heard you were under the weather, all O.K. ?
James, he still has the side draft on there, but that's probably about it hugh?
knowing Shaner it's now an 88 X 94 with some nutty heads, I have a feeling that re-gearing the tranny may be next...............
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Darren D's new car has run 9.4's in the past. It doesn't count though...Can you say 'NHRA licence'? :D We still have to figure out how to pack the chute... :P We must keep this in mind..K-Roc had close gears and a turbo'd 2275 20 years ago.. :o
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\"Fricken Moron\" .....sheeesh, you sound like my teen age daughter.........how old are you 14.....mid life crisis...? I've been around race cars and engines since I was a kid. I'll be looking forward to racing you once my \"Turbo single port Pile of swapmeet parts\" is done.
My track time will talk sparky. You don't have to have $6000.00 in engine parts to be fast.
This is obviously a touchy subject for you....The next generation of fast cars is coming, this year will be good.
Shane your car will kick. The engine should last longer this time. ;)
Kevin
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Perhaps you should take a look at who has built 90 %, no make that 98% of the engines and heads around here that go 12.99 or faster.
i think this say's alot right here
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This is good stuff! Darren you don't have to tell us that you built most of the engines around here. We all know that you build good engines.You must be having a bad day!Because you are actually putting effort into trying to argue with a guy that obviously doesn't know what the hell he is talking about . Hey Billy DREAM ON!Go back to your little fantasy land where single ports dominate the drags!
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All this Drama and I wasn't even invited to the dance.
Kevin, that interior air must be gettin to ya. Have you any idea just exactly who you are telling how to race? or what makes a fast car?? Perhaps you need to spout off on shoptalk forums, cause your shit aint flyin here.
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Excuse me? Are you living under a rock or something?
I was probably running low 10's in a beetle and you were still sucking your thumb.
Perhaps you should take a look at who has built 90 %, no make that 98% of the engines and heads around here that go 12.99 or faster.
You have obviously never driven a fast VW before have you? That is unless you think a Turbo single port Pile of swapmeet parts is fast...
Why don't you give us a list of the fast cars and engines you have built and tell us how we should drive them?
As far a driving a fast rear engine beetle goes, it's like throwing a hammer in the air, the heavy end wants to come around, that's what happens in a beetle when the back get's light, and you have to stay into the gas pedal to some point or the ass end will swap, Knowing when to pedal it and when to let off the gas come with experience, There is a difference between balls and stupidity
So please tell us about all vast your experience in this area?
better yet bring that rocket ship of yours down here this summer and let's play!
Now i'm going out to the shop to finish up the Valve train on an 2332 EFI intercooled Turbo motor.
Fricken Moron.
That's a great Christmas attitude. It's funny, if someone else started mud slingin' all these regular's would be all over you. Raise your maturity level a little a realize not everyone in this world has the engine building and race experience you do.
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I'm thinkin all these regulars know just who makes sense and who doesn't. It ain't mudslingin if it makes sense.
more importantly....will this be the first thread to be moved to the \"e-thug forum\"???
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I'm thinkin all these regulars know just who makes sense and who doesn't. It ain't mudslingin if it makes sense.
more importantly....will this be the first thread to be moved to the "e-thug forum"???
Only if Jason manages to fix this forum!
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:blink: :lol:
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That's a great Christmas attitude. It's funny, if someone else started mud slingin' all these regular's would be all over you. Raise your maturity level a little a realize not everyone in this world has the engine building and race experience you do.
i think darrens reaction is quite tame, considering that he was pretty much called a clueless chump. after one person has put so many hours into modifying & improving the power output of acvw heads and engines i think they have a right to defend themselves when someone else slings feces in their general direction.
I'm thinkin all these regulars know just who makes sense and who doesn't.
exactly.
kevin, i respect the fact that you have been around alot of engines and race cars and that you have dumped alot of time and money into your turbo powered sp choptop...but darren k is the man when it comes to acvw heads, engines and hp. you have to respect that and realize that he does know what he's talking about and the engines he builds and the heads he p&p's have proven it time and time again.
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Okay everybody....
Take a deep breath.........
Step away from the computer.............
Think about nice sandy beaches....warm water.............
Play nice now :)
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Just a question but are the dyno numbers gonna have the california correction factor of 50+ HP or more??? :huh: HMMM 350hp + correction factor = 400HP?? Many times you'll see the HP figures on certain dyno's over rating the actual HP. Timeslips dont jive with HP figures.
Who cares what HP it makes. I think a bus box is needed without a question or lets hack a spendeola in there. Or you can be like the Lauffers and rebuild the type1 box every time it hits the track, meaning 1 rebuilt tranny for every day at the track. Poor type1 box poor poor type1 box :(
$$$$$$ = speed. Time is precious. I see tranny swaps a frequent ordeal. Just stating facts.
So Shane whats the engine combo?????
hmm 4 barrel carb and a Mother fu!!er \"paradise\" custom grind. I'm guessing an 86x94 and pray to god type 4 mains on a flanged crank.
Man this summers gonna be fun.
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Hey Billy DREAM ON!Go back to your little fantasy land where single ports dominate the drags!
Funny...this is where vw racing started in the sixties.....All this motor will be capapble of is 11 seconds...definitly not dominating in any books. Suprising for a singleport ......sure. You share the same attitude as most people towards the singleport.
Merry Christmas everyone, yes you too Darren.
I look forward to seeing Shanes dyno #s since this is what this thread is supposed to be about.
Kevin
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Hey Billy DREAM ON!Go back to your little fantasy land where single ports dominate the drags!
Funny...this is where vw racing started in the sixties.....All this motor will be capapble of is 11 seconds...definitly not dominating in any books. Suprising for a singleport ......sure. You share the same attitude as most people towards the singleport.
Merry Christmas everyone, yes you too Darren.
I look forward to seeing Shanes dyno #s since this is what this thread is supposed to be about.
Kevin
Merry X-mas to you to Kevin, Look forward to seeing you and your 11 second car this coming summer. ^_^
I'm done with this thread now. Thanks folks!
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Man I swear....just sitting back and reading this stuff is entertaining.........Where's twitchy??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is like Christmas morning! I come in and get to open one of the best threads in a long time :lol:
If thing's have been changed in the motor whats the point in guessing? You need to list the parts and changes so everyone has a guideline to go from. Otherwise whats the point.
Kevin, We all know the first race engines were singleports. The only reason they were is because they had nothing else to work from. If they had 910 heads and flanged cranks back then you wouldn't see them building 1500cc SP 12;1 motors would ya?
Anyway, It's been fun to read all this now if Shane would post a # we can get past this. B)
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Ahhhhhh What a Great day!! No one fighting, Christmas spirit everywhere! I love you guys!
Oh and by the way 362HP 312Ft Is my guess!!
Cheers!
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Hey Silas.I really enjoyed those video clips.You and me must think alike.I was going to do the same damn thing! They speak for themselves!
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"Yea... you either........That is why I said it will depend on how hard they want to push it. Most guys will let off the gas when it gets squirly....very few will lay into it harder and steer out of it. My guess is since these are high $$$ cars they will let off of it. Mind over matter ($$$)"
Oh boy here we go!
Maybe this one should go to the Thug room,LOL!
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Hey Silas.I really enjoyed those video clips.You and me must think alike.I was going to do the same damn thing! They speak for themselves!
great minds think alike. B)
i love virtual drag racing.
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362 at the wheels.
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Wow, this thread sure took a left turn....First off, Billy you need to relax.. I don't see why we are arguing with the best builder Canada has to offer... Darren is known through out North America for his head porting and engine building expertise...I am only looking to stay in the game next year. I don't have eny plans to run any faster than I have.... I planned on coming down here a long time ago and getting a vacation out of it.
My engine problems, I am chalking up to my inexperiance,,,, But once you have played with the big boys it is hard to go back....I am lucky that I can still afford to play this hard.
Darren, Geoff, and Jim have been very supportive and I want to thank them for all the help and advice since
i have been down here..
Better to remind silent and be thought a fool, than speak out and remove all doubt, That was for you Kevin ;)
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back on topic did this thing get dyno'd yet??
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Are we still guessing Hp figures? I will guess.......let see......hmmmmmm.....what was the highest guess , 550 ? I will guess 551 , ohh hold on a second I don't want anyone to think I smoke crack toooooooooo! :wacko: If you are going to torture it, I will guess 333 hp . Good luck big green one ! Keep us updated. I hope Santa puts some tranny gears in your stocking. TJ
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These dyno HP numbers everyone is throwing out..is this with or without NOS???
i guessed 390 something i think.. it could be done..it has been done...we should get more specifics on exactly how much boost is being run...and really the motor specs...
i cant guess a real number unless i have something to base it on
333 sounds like a good number...with a life span...
Cale
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you know what just take a stab at it, its just for a hot wheels!
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But i love hotwheels! :wub: :wub:
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Wow.
Being new to the VW seen and running my mean 1300, these numbers blow me away. So I figured I would flip through a few VW Trends because I remembered a couple of big Turbo's, but can't find them. One was ORANGE and I think was running a 2332 that was like 322 hp. But I also remeber a turbo oval 56 or 57 that grased the cover and I think it was around 5something at 18lbs.
Hulk I like GREEN better than ORANGE so I'm gonna guess 409 (because I like the old impala's) Keep in mind this guess is a completely uneducated 0 experience guess. All I know for sure is I have got to get to Mission and see the HULK and FLOSSIN and Darren K run and when I fall into some money I'm going to be asking for all of your input when it comes to replacing the 1300.
So HULK, safe trip back. FLOSSIN pass on a Merry XMas to Greg and the clan (do you still have that 2275 you were selling ?)
To all, have a drink but not to many (and don't get behind the wheel's of your rides, we need to keep them alive.). Have a Merry XMAS and I hope to meet alot more of you in the New Year.
Cheers
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387
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Shane,
Are the Lauffers (spelling?) building the motor this time around?
Its difficult to guess the numbers, but I will try at 350'ish WHP.
Lanny & Darren said it the best to me last year at the Java Hut:
\"Its impressive anyway you look at it. Getting 7 times the horsepower over stock out of a pushrod motor whose technology has been revamped year after year is amazing!\"
Stephan
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Come on Hulky....don't leave us hangin
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Where is the big guy?? Did he get lost on the I-5 somewhere? He sure is quiet, hope everything worked out on his car. But if I was a betting man (which Im Not) I'll say .........266 hp. Come on big guy give us the poop.
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I talked to SHane on Xmas day when he was at Disneyland and they planned on heading north that evening or next morning so he is likely on the road home somewhere right now.
I'm sure mister fullofpoop will be back soon. -_-
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I'm gonna go 286 if guess 's are still open hopefully higher though .Hope to hear some results soon .Safe trip home Shane .Hope you had fun my kids and I can,t wait to do Disney again :)
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Hey guys, We are back.
Things did not go as planned at VW Paradise, we only dyno'ed at 17.86 lbs boost. She came in at 280hp with 260 torque, We ran out of time, However we have a little somethin somethin planned... ;) Spent X-mas day at Dinsey , we were told that it was a record breaking day and they stopped admissions into the park... ( Little too busy for me) Next day we headed up to 6 flags, The last time I was there I was 15, so memory must have been a little blurred... first there was a Police station at the front gate and then when they made us go through the metal detector to get in, I thought man has this placed changed :huh: . So after the short stay there we headed for the grapevine and and it started to rain and did not stop until we crossed the border...All is home and safe...
I will fill you guys in more later
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OUTKAST takes the win with the closest guess, PM me your address and I will send it up to you
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17.86 lbs. ??? ...........is that with a zero? Imagine if you hit 17.870 :rockon: .... :P :lol: Lets just call it 18 lbs. :blush:
Glad to here your back and all is well. :D
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Shane, you guys must be sick of Disneyland by now. Good to have you back. You may have been dissapointed by the horsepower dyno, but if you look on the bright side you will hopefully get more than 2 passes in total next year.
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Actually I am not dissapointed... It was agreat trip, I learned alot. Yes I am am sick of disneyland.. However Space Mountian was open and I really enjoyed that.
Hans I was only printing what the dyno printed. wanted to be exact... ;)
Watching the car on the dyno was very kewl...
Couple more fine tuning and the car will be good to go...
Now hopefully everyone else will get their cars on the road for this year
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However Space Mountian was open and I really enjoyed that.
i have been back to disneyland a few times and the ONLY time i got to ride space mountain was when i was in grade 4.glad you had a good trip Shane
russ
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280 is nothin to sneeze at! Sounds like you guys had a great time.