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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: 72vwtype2 on September 23, 2005, 11:49:52 PM
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I am considering buying a 70ish beetle. But I was wondering what are some of the differences between the Beetle and Super Beetle? Is one more desireable than the other? Any other info would be appreciated about the differences.
Thanks, Phil.
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if you intend to do any customizing to the vehicle, such as lowering it, the costs are higher on a super beetle, or at least from what I recall, they look funy with there rounded windshields and various other strange details.
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If you want a beetle that is the most like a \"Real\" car then a super beetle fits the bill. They have a real front suspension(Macpherson strut) which should open up a fair amount of strut/spring combo's for you. If you want to build a beetle to handle and have ceaper parts prices a super fits the bill. If I didn't get the 62 the way i did I would of bought a super.
-Kirin
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It all depends on personal taste. Lick the bug you wish to purchase and if it taste good buy it :D
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So many people think Supers only have a curved windsheild, and when they see a flat windsheild super they think it is a regular beetle, Get a 71-72 super for the flat windsheild. Lowering struts and springs are cheaper than a beam and spindles by a long shot( probably $200-300) to get up to 4\" of drop on a super. Handling is much better. You can fit more storage in the front too.
Most people who do not own a beetle or are into vw's only notices that you have a \"beetle\". They are oblivious to a curved windsheild and rounded front end, or larger taillights. They are more intrested in doing a \"punch buggy to there buddy. All beetles to them are old.
Kevin
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I'm starting to do up a 71 super w/metal unroof. The round front and the flat winsheild are a cool combo in my mind.
They look a little funny at stock ride height (front is really high), but they look awesome when they are lowered!
Its all personal taste.
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Most people who are new to the VW scene can't really tell, early, late, super etc. As time passes and you begin to notice the differences, most enthusiasts will lean towards the earlier models. Compare the diiference between a 51 Split cloth interior to a 73 plastic interior. IMHO, an early car with late mechanicals(brakes/engine/trans/electrical) is the way to go. Supers have a knack of shaking front ends at highway speeds. Supers usually have defrost(laughs) fans. Pros and cons to both.
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I am leaning towards the 71/72 Supers, because of the flat windshield. It seems to be the last thing it retains from the early beetles. How about the drive train and options? I believe the motors were the same in both the regular beetle and Supers? Did the Super have more options or a nicer interior?
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. Compare the diiference between a 51 Split cloth interior to a 73 plastic interior.
Supers Suck and all should be hacked ]:(
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Don't hate and don't discriminate. All v.w.'s have different things that appeal to different people, and thats why we don't buy Hondas.
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Don't hate and don't discriminate. All v.w.'s have different things that appeal to different people, and thats why we don't buy Hondas.
Ummmm .....my lawn mower is a honda. :mellow: But It's air cooled :D
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Supers Suck and all should be hacked >:(
I was trying to be a bit more subtle..
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Sorry, Sometimes I get carried away... :blush:
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As much as I HATE to agree with Pointblank. Supers' and anything but.....
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!967 the only year worth considering! :D
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!967 the only year worth considering! :D
If you are into that sort of thing... Funny Headlights and all ;)
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If you want your car to handle and have creature comforts... a \"real\" dashboard more soundeadening.. and did I mention handling and none goofy rear suspension technology late is where its at.
Somewhere in my future lies a dark super on Porsche wheels, big brakes, sway bars, stroker t4 with EFI and turbo.
Hulk what? Apex sure!
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Yep ! headlights that actually work :P
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Amen bro!
None of that sealed beam BS!
Hella H-4's all the way!
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Any idiot can convert an early beetle to have H4 Headlights. Hell you can even go Xeon if you like. A simple conversion that most everyone has already done to a daily driver pre '67. A real dashboard? You referring to that hunk of black foam that don't do crap other than crack? As for creature comforts. Name one real creature comfort that a late Stuper beetle has. Now handling...... lets see. In order to make the Stuper Beetle handle exactly how much weight did they have to add? A 1960 Beetle weighs in @1609lbs; a 1974 stuper beetle @ 1984lbs. That's a hell of a lot of weight to overcome with Hp. You want to accelerate or go around a corner? Sorry but a stuper beetle is a hard sell.
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The super VS Standard debate let it begin.
First off lets think of what those 300 lb's were added for. Safety(Shock bumpers, something of a crash cell, door impact beams? Thicker structure....) Sound deadening, Macpherson struts(Pretty simple).
Weight is easier to over come with HP. With a super instead of basically a tractor front suspension you get a real strut system with geometry. Lets not even talk about the ox cart rear suspension. I believe Nader called the swing axle for its badness. I like IRS and once you've driven a car with IRS in the back and struts up front.....
By 1975 the super beetle was such a choked car compared to say the 62.
Don't get me wrong you can make the early car's handle... I tried with mine and then just went the way of the strut...
Theres a super in my future...
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If safety were the concern nobody would be driving beetles. They were designed for an European market where the bumper heights were much lower. Austin mini being a prime example. They stopped importing them because of their bumper heights. The fact that VW made adjustments to accomidate was a compromise. You can't tell me that the Stuper Beetle would save you anymore than my '64 from a collision with ANY SUV of full size truck. Face it the only accident you are gonna walk away from is with another VW beetle.
In short the Stuper Beetle was nothing more than a feeble attempt of VW trying to accomidate the US market. Nothing more, nothing less. Remember that in late '74 VW came out with the Rabbit (golf in europe) which was the next big deal. \"the econobox\"
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supers bring to mind two words...
fat chick.
you either have to be really drunk or really desperate.
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Hey Big Kirin,were is the Tweds when u need him.He Will give us 1001 reasons why Supers are better,and I am sure there are many reasons why they are............But I can't help but say they still suck,ohh did I say that out loud.Sorry about that just personal pref.,but I guess they are a little more like a bimmer than a early car..LOLOLO ;) TJ
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Dammit Jim, why'd you have to go rattle his cage some more?
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:blink:
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Alright.. Personal preference is personal preference.
Parts are cheaper though for supers I swear and they just seem more disposable..
So I guess when it comes to the beetle arguement I am a chubby chaser....
I admit it.
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Just like I said before it's a matter of taste :) And my taste say supers are crap . but it is no reason to hack them up.
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Alright.. Personal preference is personal preference.
Parts are cheaper though for supers I swear and they just seem more disposable..
So I guess when it comes to the beetle arguement I am a chubby chaser....
I admit it.
yes your right supers are disposable.
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Hell ya, Hack them up and make HebRod's outta the front clip.....
]]]Finally a good use of Stuper technology[[[ (http://www.airspeedparts.com/community-forum/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=3228)
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Actually I had a 73 super (curved windshield, early struts) and I liked it alot - I don't care what year/make/model aircooled I have or anyone else has - I like them all. But my favorite year beetle is a 66.
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Such haterz
Its aircooled... Just love it or leave:P
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listen to you
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I wanna get in this debate too....
Supers are a waste of a car.. and Karen,I will gladly go find a $50 Super and trade you for your \"Bert\"
Did I mention they suck and should be hacked???? :angry:
and they are ugly and have no style??
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I must admit the boy is holding it better than usual. Been taking some courses on self restraint Kirin?? Not half as fun to watch anymore.
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One good thing about the super is it acts as a \"gateway drug\" into the vw scene. Speaking from experience, a young guy can pick up a super for cheap, not knowing the difference. Hone his skills on the \"disposable\" vw, and then when he learns the difference can choose to get a std. bug having hacked a super instead of a standard.
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im not a huge fan of supers, but ive always had a bit of a woody for a nicely done 71-72 super german look car, with a big motor of course....
someday.....
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Friends don't let friends buy supers :D
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ALthough I personally would choose a std over a super, I can appreciate any vehicle where someone has put in the time. I know there was one Blue 72 super on this site that was REALLY nicely done. looked clean, had a nice paint job on it, lowered, eight spokes.....nice car. AGain not MY first choice, but I enjoyed looking at pics. Kind of like hebrods. Not my first choice but man do I appreciate the kind of hours that go into building them.
I think we need to be cautious with our comments and opions as there are people within this community that have made choices on either side and have put the hours in to make a ride that they are proud of.
I say good day!
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ive always had a bit of a woody for ...
that's a mental image i really didn't need. :mellow:
dammit danny, i haven't even finished my coffee yet!
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Amen Slammed bus(BTW the Job training is working... and I am becoming my own behavior therapist) An aircooled's an aircoled. Whether you love your rust 72 super or your mint 57. Equally your VW owners and isn't that what counts!
I mean really who here drives their aircooled daily?(Uh oh thats a whole new can of worms..)
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I mean really who here drives their aircooled daily?(Uh oh thats a whole new can of worms..)
my wife when she is home :D
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Figured that but theres only a few select group of people and your one of them...
BTW your oval whenever I see it on the road and I'm driving the poobraun bmw sends me immense pangs of guilt.
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I mean really who here drives their aircooled daily?(Uh oh thats a whole new can of worms..)
Only those of us that are smart enough to fix them ourselves ;)
or then again those of us that are dumb enough to drive one every day :wacko:
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or then again those of us that are dumb enough to drive one every day :wacko:
:rockon:
ThrasheR
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Its aircooled... Just love it or leave:P
so are alot of motorcycles. does that mean i have to love them too?
it's a matter of opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
they're like assholes.
every one has one.
and mine stinks. B)
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Daily Driver...... Waldo rocks and winter is coming.... :rockon:
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Bought a t-3 from Shane She's my daily driver :D . Most people said it wouldn't last a week [_[ . Bin going stong for about 5 months now :rockon: . Mind you it does have issues. Before that my oval was my daily driver. All year round :) .
supers are gayish
no sorry there gay
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They are as Gay as Geoff loose in a bar :rockon:
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ALthough I personally would choose a std over a super, I can appreciate any vehicle where someone has put in the time.
Not my first choice but man do I appreciate the kind of hours that go into building them.
I think we need to be cautious with our comments and opions as there are people within this community that have made choices on either side and have put the hours in to make a ride that they are proud of.
rational, reasonable
supers are gayish
Supers Suck and all should be hacked
supers bring to mind two words...
fat chick.
you either have to be really drunk or really desperate.
inflammatory, ignorant
ford, chevy, dodge, european, japanese -- old, new, hot rod, stock, cal look, german look, standard, super -- appreciate the enthusiast, share your passion, knowledge, experience, .....
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rational, reasonable
supers are gayish
supers bring to mind two words...
fat chick.
you either have to be really drunk or really desperate.
inflammatory, ignorant
ford, chevy, dodge, european, japanese -- old, new, hot rod, stock, cal look, german look, standard, super -- appreciate the enthusiast, share your passion, knowledge, experience, .....
opinions are like...... :P
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My gosh I though this thread had been deleted...
And now its back...... :wacko:
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here we go again. Kirin for the record Slammedbus and I were talking the other night and were baffled that you didn't mention the German Look Super. If you had I'd a had to given you kudos. As much as I cringe at the thought of owning a Stuper Beetle they do look kewl. It really comes down to \"to each his own\". I think that you will find that newbies like beetles for being beetles. Veterans will tend toward the non Stuper, and enthusiasts will go for the older the better. My first beetle was a '67 so I started out with plumbing on the bumper. As far as guys just getting into the aircooled scene; well they take what they can find (usually 68+) and upgrade from there.
You being an obvious exception most you will find upgrade to an older vintage vehicle. That being said I say Goodnight!
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As for creature comforts. Name one real creature comfort that a late Stuper beetle has. Now handling...... lets see. In order to make the Stuper Beetle handle exactly how much weight did they have to add? A 1960 Beetle weighs in @1609lbs; a 1974 stuper beetle @ 1984lbs.
Why not compare the weight of a Super to your bicycle. Just as useless a comparison. A 74 STANDARD torsion bar Beetle weighs 1850lbs, only 130lbs more using your number.
How about wipers at your fingertips instead of reaching out to the dash? By installing a Rabbit wiper switch and relay you can have intermittent wipers (that came standard on 79 convertible Supers). How about a high beam switch where you don't have to fumble around with your left foot? That stupid one on the floor always seems to get switched when you push in the clutch.
How about real HEAT? I got the dealer invoice with my 72 Super, and the gas heater is not listed as an option. That's because it is standard on a 72 Super. Partly why they weigh more.
How about a defroster that actually clears the windshield? Two speeds too. Fast to get it clear, slow to keep it that way.
Trunk volume. Did you know you can't fit a bare Beetle engine case in the trunk of a standard beetle? But you can easily fit a complete long block in a Super. A 71-72 Super's trunk is double the size of a standard's.
Sounds like a lot of people here are jealous of Supers. Some of the biggest gaybashers are gay themselves.
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On September 26 12:06 PM I posted this up..
\"If you want your car to handle and have creature comforts... a \"real\" dashboard more soundeadening.. and did I mention handling and none goofy rear suspension technology late is where its at.
Somewhere in my future lies a dark super on Porsche wheels, big brakes, sway bars, stroker t4 with EFI and turbo.
Hulk what? Apex sure! \"
If the latter part does not spell German look I don't know what does.
So I guess its \"my fault\" that I didn't mention it huh? :wacko:
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I've never been a big fan of supers myself, but James' old red oxide flat window had a great look and could really light 'em up...
(https://airspeedparts.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi12.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa250%2Fdigitalbill2%2Fstuff%2Fjburnout3.jpg&hash=ba8e4ef08ee566164f44a0a4d92480dcbed66898)
And I don't think many will disagree that THIS (http://www.goinpostalracing.com/videos/superdrifter.wmv) [--- Click here -- looks like a load of fun.
:rockon:
ThrasheR
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My old tremclad 73 - I miss that car!
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track down the owner, maybe he'll sell it back to you... :P