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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: owdlvr on January 16, 2015, 12:58:58 PM
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There have been some rumours floating around about new requirements for exporting a vehicle from the USA, so I thought I would look into it. The below post assumes that you are already familiar with the OLD system of exporting a vehicle from the USA, and that you're already aware of the general regulations for exporting and importing vehicles. (Age, eligibility, RIV, etc.) If you're looking for a step-by-step primer, this probably isn't the post you're looking for!
Confirmed Changes to the Process
1) The Vehicle Export Worksheet has changed. The new worksheet includes a section called "ITN:". This refers to the Internal Transaction number, which is the new big change to the system.
2) You will require an ITN number, which is generated from the AES (Automated Export System).
The changes, a direct quote from the CBP document is as follows:
The Export worksheet MUST now include the ITN (Internal Transaction Number) which is generated in AES (Automated Export System) to a shipment confirming that EEI (Electronic Export Information) was accepted and on file in the AES. If you cannot gain access to AES, you may need to contact a customs broker.
Do you need a customs broker?
The rumours I've heard, and what made me look into this, is the question of whether or not you actually need a Customs broker, and their associated fees to export a vehicle from the USA. The short answer is yes. The AES system is setup to only allow US employees with a Federal Tax number to apply. I'm working to see if a Canadian, or Canadian company (Classic Car Adventures) can apply for access to the AES system for the purpose of creating export documents. But for the moment, it looks like we will have to use a traditional customs broker.
So what are the steps now?
1) Contact a broker with the vehicle information. They'll take care of your AES entry and provide you with an ITN number. I haven't looked into the costs for this myself.
2) Fill out the Export worksheet as per usual.
3) Send in the worksheet, copy of the bill of sale and a copy of the Title to the CBP for the usual 72hr wait.
4) Process is the same after that. No changes on the CDN side.
HTH,
-Dave
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Adding this:
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Exporting%20Vehicles%20To%20Canada%20%28Census%20Bureau%29.pdf
(http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Exporting%20Vehicles%20To%20Canada%20%28Census%20Bureau%29.pdf)
Note that if you want the seller to the paperwork for you, signing up for AES requires reading a 34 page manual and taking a 30min online test to be approved. So, chances are you're dealing with a broker :P
-Dave
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Great information Dave!.
AFAIK these changes are to do with the US Government / IRS wanting to make sure the seller (US citizen) reports the sale of the vehicle for taxation purposes.
Not the end of world to importing cars from the US but just another process to learn how to navigate through.
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What some people may not know is the Canadian govt. does not care if you export it using this process. You can just drive to the border and import the vehicle.
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gsun--are you saying, that after taking possession of your USA purchased vehicle, you can drive up to the Canadian customs and present them with the bill of sale, etc. and then you're okay to bring it into Canada?
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This is very true.. Although you can sometime have issues with ICBC when it comes time to insure. Most times it's a non issue.
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gsun--are you saying, that after taking possession of your USA purchased vehicle, you can drive up to the Canadian customs and present them with the bill of sale, etc. and then you're okay to bring it into Canada?
Yep. I mistakenly drove to the Canadian border and forgot to stop at the US kiosk to do the export thing and the border guard told me they didn't care. And nobody inside the office asked for the export docs.
Also, I am getting a vehicle next week from the US and there was no ITN number spot on it. Not knowing at the time about the new requirement, I emailed it in on Friday. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
This is very true.. Although you can sometime have issues with ICBC when it comes time to insure. Most times it's a non issue.
Nobody at ICBC has ever asked me for an export doc from the US.
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Hmmmm, so if you were to get the vehicle into Canada without sing at us customs, then drive it to Seattle the next summer. Say you got pulled over, cause you're driving a lowered noisy VW, and the run the vin? What would happen? Nothing?
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Nobody at ICBC has ever asked me for an export doc from the US.
When I imported into Alberta I'm pretty sure that's what they wanted to see at Canadian Tire, before I could go to the license registry and get a form for an out of province inspection. Maybe it's different in BC?
Mind you, every time I called RIV or Transport Canada or the locally approved inspection shops, it seemed like I got a different answer.
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I know I have been ask and had the paper work looked at (pretty sure looking for the "exported" stamp on the title) at the border. They may have nothing to do with it but in my case sure seemed to care about it. I think your playing with fire not doing it.
Vehicles 15 years(I think) and older do not require an RIV
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Hmmmm, so if you were to get the vehicle into Canada without sing at us customs, then drive it to Seattle the next summer. Say you got pulled over, cause you're driving a lowered noisy VW, and the run the vin? What would happen? Nothing?
Good question.
I have not brought a vehicle in without exporting it. Just passing on what I was told.
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I know I have been ask and had the paper work looked at (pretty sure looking for the "exported" stamp on the title) at the border. They may have nothing to do with it but in my case sure seemed to care about it. I think your playing with fire not doing it.
Vehicles 15 years(I think) and older do not require an RIV
When was that? It was changed between when I brought one in in 2009 (required) and another in 2012 (not required).
BTW, my paperwork was rejected and I need to get an ITN number. The US border guys sent me the new form. The cost at A & A Customs brokers is $125.00. Canadians cannot do it themselves even if you were to go through all the work. You cannot do the AES work if you are not a good ol boy.
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I've imported a few vehicles since about 2012 so not sure about regulations before that. In 2014 I brought up 2 , a 2008 atv (riv required and export process required) and a 1999 cargo trailer (riv and export process NOT required) They commented on how the trailer just missed the riv because it was 15 years old . Trailers and boats don't ( or didn't) require the export process , not sure now if thats still true .
As for the export process , every time I apply to enter the US they ask the purpose of the visit and I answer " to buy a vehicle" they make SURE I understand the export process ........... I like my US visiting privileges so I try not to mess with their laws .
I guess $125 is not the end of the world.
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http://www.cbpvehicleexport.com/how-to-export/
just found out about this , sounds good
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Just finished my export crap. The above site seems a little sketchy, but is probably fine. There is no contact info on that site. I had to give my DL #, passport #, other personal info and the bill of sale as well as the title docs. But I went through a broker that is established at the Pacific crossing.
Anyway it went fine and they filled out all the paperwork for me and submitted it. Going to get it on Saturday. Coming back on Thursday.
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Vehicles 15 years(I think) and older do not require an RIV
When was that? It was changed between when I brought one in in 2009 (required) and another in 2012 (not required).
BTW, my paperwork was rejected and I need to get an ITN number. The US border guys sent me the new form. The cost at A & A Customs brokers is $125.00. Canadians cannot do it themselves even if you were to go through all the work. You cannot do the AES work if you are not a good ol boy.
I imported my bus in July of '09 and RIV was not required. The young customs guy wasn't familiar with it but the older supervisor walked over and told him it was not needed.
I guess additional $125 is not bad. Sounded scary at first.
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Vehicles 15 years(I think) and older do not require an RIV
When was that? It was changed between when I brought one in in 2009 (required) and another in 2012 (not required).
BTW, my paperwork was rejected and I need to get an ITN number. The US border guys sent me the new form. The cost at A & A Customs brokers is $125.00. Canadians cannot do it themselves even if you were to go through all the work. You cannot do the AES work if you are not a good ol boy.
I imported my bus in July of '09 and RIV was not required. The young customs guy wasn't familiar with it but the older supervisor walked over and told him it was not needed.
I guess additional $125 is not bad. Sounded scary at first.
I just finished importing a non VW. With thanks to gsun for all the great new procedure info! The "young customs guy" that I got must've had an IQ on the lower end of the scale plus was a bit bull-headed about the vehicle being RIV exempt(over 15 years of age). At first the 6 number VIN had him baffled, but his more experienced colleague luckily convinced him not to worry about it(being that low number VINs are common with older vehicles). He had a real tough time with the fact that he could not find its country of origin stuck to the door jamb. I assured him it was on the firewall, but I would have to unstrap the hood for him to look. Once you are in the building, you are not permitted back out(in my experience with more than a few vehicles now). Consequently, he kept trying to find where the poor little old Saab was made(on the computer even though I had tried repeatedly at first to inform him). Took him a little over an hour then he started to mutter about the age and RIV exempt status and that it "might not be necessary". As he closed in on stamping the form, he repeatedly stopped to look at the computer in hopes that he could find where the Saab was made. When he started muttering about Finland(yes, some were made there) I thought that he wasn't going to let it go right up until the point that he broke out the ink pad, and said"oh well, I guess it is okay" and stamped it. Whew! Moral of the story? Either have the country of manufacture easily accessed before going into the building or have a letter from the manufacturer stating where it was built. I did not have the problem with either of the VWs I brought thru, or the other Saab(that one is another story…suffice to say, have the craigslist ad if possible!). A&A Brokers were great and you can pay the $125 with paypal…easy-peasy!
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Vehicles 15 years(I think) and older do not require an RIV
When was that? It was changed between when I brought one in in 2009 (required) and another in 2012 (not required).
BTW, my paperwork was rejected and I need to get an ITN number. The US border guys sent me the new form. The cost at A & A Customs brokers is $125.00. Canadians cannot do it themselves even if you were to go through all the work. You cannot do the AES work if you are not a good ol boy.
I imported my bus in July of '09 and RIV was not required. The young customs guy wasn't familiar with it but the older supervisor walked over and told him it was not needed.
I guess additional $125 is not bad. Sounded scary at first.
I meant the export stamp requirement was changed. The 15 year old vehicle being RIV exempt was always in place.
You would think the name SAAB would tell them something. Finland - Sweden - what's the difference with that? None.
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For everyone's info: I'm just going through this process right now--phoned Pacific Customs Brokers and they quoted me $230, then I called A & A Customs and they quoted me $139.65, so naturally I told them to go ahead. The final bill came and they were charging me $237.16 !! The extra was for their administration fee ($52.16) and the vehicle import form ($26.25). What- they didn't know this when they were giving the first quote? Went back to look at the original quote and the fine print at the bottom said the price was subject to change! Right now I'm waiting for the 3 days wait to be up and hope the rest is easy sailing. By the way, the border only processes these transactions Mon.-Fri.
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Call them a say BS. They will probably give you a break. They did with me. I was told 85 bucks and they then said 125. I called BS and they honoured the 85. That was only in January.
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I completed my vehicle import yesterday by getting ICBC registration and insurance. I asked if they needed to see the export stamp (which I had) and they said no.
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I'm going blind trying to understand the import/export info online.
Question about the Canadian side requirements: There is a tonne of info about RIV (Registrar of Imported Vehicles) including that cars over 15 years old are exempt from the program. But I can't for the life of me find what is required if you are RIV exempt.
I have the bill of sale and a notorized WA State "Affidvit in lieu of Title" from 2 owners ago, but no actual title.
Any help?
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............. but no actual title.
Best confirm the USBPS guys will accept that first, you may not even be able to export it. You may have to get the PO to register it in WA so you have a real title in hand before they will even talk to you. It usually takes a couple weeks to get the hard copy in the mail.
As for the requirements once in Canada it seems as long as you have the stamped import document from Canada customs you are good to go (after a safety inspection), worth a call to ICBC or a visit with your trusted Autoplan agent before going too much further though.
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Thanks. I did confirm that the US side requires a real title for export. The PO doesn't want to spend the $300 or so it would cost him to title it. Maybe more because in WA State you have to pay a fine up to $125 if you haven't titled withing 15 days.
Just in case i'm not able to get the proper title and have to bring it to the canadian side without properly exporting, I'm going drive down to the boarder tonight and see if they will accept the documentation that I have. I'll post the results.
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Okay, so I went to the Canadian office at the Truck Crossing, and they conirmed that properly "Exporting" a vehicle from the US is not a requirement in order to Import into Canada. They did however mention that if you bring the vehicle back to the US someday and they run the VIN, you can face a $5000 fine, but said he'd never heard of that actually happening.
Also, the guy said that they would accept my Notorized "Affidavit in Lieu of Title" as the title.
One more thing he said that I haven't read online, is that they now prefer a withdrawal or payment record corroborating the purchase price. And that if you claim you paid less than you actually did, that they impound the vehicle. Thanks guys. Hope this info helps someone else.
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I hope you got the name of the guy at customs that told you that.
I had a similar incident in the 90s importing a new car. Customs wanted to see the US DOT sticker on the inside of the B pilar. But the car had been repainted and the sticker was gone. I found a book that deciphered the VIN and that if the nth digit was a "1", the car was built for the US market and thus was DOT compliant. I showed this to the customs guy and asked if it was sufficient proof. He agreed and I got his name. He also said if I had trouble on his day off, for the guys on duty to call him at home. Unbelievable, i know! Sure enough, the guys wouldn't accept my proof when I brought the car up, so they called the guy at home and I got the car in.
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Yeah, I thought the same thing. I made sure to get his name.
What stamps/tags will they look for on a '77 Bus?
Thanks.
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The only thing they might look at is the VINs. If the bus is missing the perforated VIN sticker it's not a big deal since the VIN tag is by the base of the front window. It's common for them to not even look at the car.
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The Export paperwork is not needed for Canada at all.US border services could ask you if was done and you have to prove it. have never been asked but one time bringing a car up the US border guy told me never loose that paperwork. The more legal paperwork and border stamps you have the better.
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UPDATE:
I had no troubles importing the bus without the export paperwork. I would have done the export stuff if I could, but they wouldn't accept the notorized affidavit in-lieu of title. The Canadian side accepted it for import (as they said they would) and didn't even ask if I had exported it. The first guard/agent I was dealing with was going to charge duty (since it was made in Germany and not NAFTA protected), but he got called away and the guard that replaced him only charged GST, so I guess that is luck of the draw. Thanks
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http://www.cbpvehicleexport.com/how-to-export/
just found out about this , sounds good
I am just in process of importing a car from the U.S. I am using CBP in hansk's link and so far the cost is $50, paid PayPal and Julie has been amazing to deal with...
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Yup worked out good for me too .
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Got the car home this morning and definitely recommend using these guys : $50 and no other hidden fees... Had my ITN number next day.
http://www.cbpvehicleexport.com/how-to-export/
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Great info, Thx guys.
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Do tell Gav, what did you get? A thing?
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Do tell Gav, what did you get? A thing?
x2...congrats gavin and lets hear some details, see some pics!! :cool:
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OK,Let's summarize the original question. Do we need to get a Export stamp from the US border when exporting a vintage vehicle from the US ? or can I just drive up to the Canadian customs with the vehicle and the original US registration Pay the taxes site the VIN and be on my way .
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You do not need a US export stamp for Canadian border purposes. Full stop. Endo. Fini.
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Unless you feel the need to comply with US regulations/laws . For me (and any future owners of the vehicle) , $50 is cheep peace of mind .
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Here we go again....
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This is a great reference thread and it saved me a lot of grief in the past. I thought I should add a bit of info that you should consider even before departing the seller's presence in the USA.....After importation the next step is of course registration, and I recently found out that ICBC's new system allows them to be much more bureaucratic. In the past, a "signed off" original US title by the person whose name appears on the title has been all that was necessary(and of course the other paperwork talked about here) to get the vehicle registered. It needn't have been in the name of the person who you bought it from. That is not quite the case now. If you have a Bill of Sale from your seller, but their name/signature doesn't appear on the title(usually on the back of the original title), and there is no Bill Of Sale from the person named on the title to your seller, there will be a problem with what ICBC deems "continuity of ownership". It doesn't matter if all the other forms have been filled out correctly and rubber stamped by the US and Canadian authorities, ICBC won't register it(so far in my experience). I have found some vehicles in the US have passed thru many "owners" but the title was signed off by someone 3 or more transactions(i.e. same vehicle sales) ago. So what if you didn't buy the vehicle from the registered owner? The official way is to get your seller to register it in their name, then provide you with a Bill Of Sale. If you can get a Bill Of Sale from the registered owner(i.e. the person whose name and address is on the front of the title) to your seller(and the registered owner's signature is on the back of the title), that works too. That then satisfies ICBC's "continuity of ownership" and you will be able to go thru the inspection process and if passed, register the vehicle. Alternatively, you can fill out ICBC's "Registration Application for a Vehicle in Restoration" (and supply appropriate documentation) which allows you to register the vehicle before inspection(a hold is put on insuring the vehicle until it has passed inspection). It is a good alternative if you want it in your name before working on the vehicle. But ICBC still wants that paper documented "continuity of ownership". I hope that is clearer than mud... ;)
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Here's a question for anyone who's imported a car recently.
Did you drag it through the Nexus lane coming into Canada at the truck crossing?
I know of two guys who imported old VWs last month. Both went through the Nexus lane after showing their cars to the Americans. The first guy went through with no trouble. The second guy gets a threat that they may take away his Nexus card for going through the Nexus lane. WTF?
On Saturday when I went through the Nexus lane at the truck crossing, I asked if it was ok through the Nexus lane with a car import, and the guy said yes, not a problem.
How many others have imported through the Nexus lane?
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I brought my doublecab through the nexus lane and was told politely to use the regular lane because it slows everything down. I guess it all depends on who you get.