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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: blarneyman on November 02, 2007, 09:10:56 PM
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Found this on another forum.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/200...cars-seize.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/06/20/streetracing-cars-seize.html)
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OK so, lets come up with excuses.
I need a big engine because of my trips to Kamloops with the boat and family and stuff. UUUUUM!
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thats ridiculous, at what point is a car designed for street racing??
who decides that?
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what a joke......
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It won't go anywhere.
I wonder what kind of car the Ontario AG drives? If it is a totally stock car that happens to have plenty of hp, like say a BMW 7 series, one could argue it was purchased specifically for street racing, therefore it should be crushed. The same would apply for every Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang...........
I would think all you would need is to keep all your ET slips from your local track to prove the car wasn't built for street racing.
Let's hope the Ontario gestapo's laws don't make it out here.
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this whole thing is getting out of hand down here, they just came out with a new law were if you are 50kms over they can just take your car, licence and theres like 5 grand worth of charges something like that!, i just got a ticket last week guy came to the window asked licence and all that, then came back with a ticket no explination no talking... watch out going down hills in the dubs! ha
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this is a touchy subject...but i'll sound off with my opinion....
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/200...cars-seize.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/06/20/streetracing-cars-seize.html)
the seize & destroy with no evidence of a street race or charges is a little harsh. however, those young douche bags in that article that were racing and involved in the death of that trucker should be put away for a long, long time.
...they just came out with a new law were if you are 50kms over they can just take your car, licence and theres like 5 grand worth of charges something like that....
you know what...i kind of like that one.
is there really any need to go 50kmh over the speed limit? no.
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this is a touchy subject...but i'll sound off with my opinion....
the seize & destroy with no evidence of a street race or charges is a little harsh. however, those young douche bags in that article that were racing and involved in the death of that trucker should be put away for a long, long time.
you know what...i kind of like that one.
is there really any need to go 50kmh over the speed limit? no.
Those who want to race go to the track and do it.
I agree with Silas 50k over is asking for it and you find that you can't handle it a bit after the accident happens. The true is somebody allways gets hurt.
On the other hand it should not matter that the car capable of doing 100 or 140 mph, If you drive resposably on the roads. If they start picking on cars that can perform beyong speed limits, They should start with their own interceptors and follow the predators chain with every Porche, Ferrari, etc.
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thats ridiculous, at what point is a car designed for street racing??
who decides that?
when it is going 80mph down king george hwy???? Just a thought
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thats ridiculous, at what point is a car designed for street racing??
who decides that?
when it is going 80mph down king george hwy???? Just a thought
speedometer? :D
Kms vs Mph ooops! :D
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it wasnt 80!!!!
more like 75.......
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If it is a totally stock car that happens to have plenty of hp, like say a BMW 7 series, one could argue it was purchased specifically for street racing, therefore it should be crushed. The same would apply for every Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang...........
The CBC article says...
\"If we can establish someone has parts and they're juicing up their car
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That legislation would be great! :rolleyes:
Every single vehicle of mine is modified in some way. How about we focus on removing all the UNSAFE vehicles off the road and focusing on better drivers training rather then targeting the minority of drivers...
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And on a related topic... from today's Vancouver Sun.
Fast Cars, Small Parts?
Sun News Services
Published: Monday, November 05, 2007
Sometimes advertising can be too powerful. A few months ago the Road and Traffic Authority in Australia's New South Wales state launched a provocative ad campaign to try to shame young men in fast and powerful cars -- known colloquially as \"hoons\" -- from driving dangerously. The billboards feature an attractive young woman gesturing dismissively with the \"little pinky\" of her right hand. The implication is that \"hoons\" roar around town in massive machines to compensate for a lack of horsepower in the trouser department. The global truth of this observation can, of course, be verified by standing for five minutes on any street corner. The ad has had an effect beyond its target audience and swiftly altered driving culture. In Australia the \"little pinky\" has become the gesture of choice over the more traditional middle finger as a response to all manner of bad or thoughtless driving. But when Simon Jardak of Sydney got the little pinky sign from a woman driver he'd just carved up it brought on a fit of road-rage. He was so incensed at the comment on his manhood that he threw a water bottle at the woman's car. Magistrates fined him the equivalent of $400 for \"malicious damage.\"
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How about we focus on removing all the UNSAFE vehicles off the road and focusing on better drivers training rather then targeting the minority of drivers...
The problem has never been unsafe vehicles. The problem is bad drivers, it always has been.
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If people were punished properly in the first place there would be less of a problem! here's a good example.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/14/...ed20050914.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/14/street_racer_deported20050914.html)
It's pretty shakey law to crush someones car on suspicion of street racing and or because they have a modified car. If people who were caught speeding under maybe a three strikes rule and had a modified car then I would say they had it comming. Or of course like the example here either deportation or major jail time for folks caught actually \"street racing\" and or causing any harm would be acceptable.
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While the govt is at it they should make mandatory speed limiters on semi's so they can't go over 100 kmh.
Speed does kill, impatient bad drivers are a nightmare. Last sept long weekend 2006 in 24 hours there was 24- 27 accidents on the trans canada between Sicamous and Salmon arm on 32 kms of road..ridiculous...8 people died that day, and many hurt for life all because some moron decided that the speed limit wasn't fast enough, or that driving in a line of cars was taking too long to get back home.
I know it is hard to resist the temptation to step on it and drag somebody when they pull up beside you, the only deterent to make somebody think twice about it is to make the penalty huge.
This is one big can of worms if it really does goes through. Hopefully something like this would have to be documented by video as proof, and not just a cop using his discretion and attitude at the time.
Yes the punished people properly argument...., just imagine what public floggings would do for crime
Kevin
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Drivers training in B.C is a joke compared to drivers training in Europe. I haven't ever seen statistics comparing say Germany to Canada however I would imagine there would be some differences. My point being is that vehicles over there undergo much stricter examination to insure roadworthyness. Yes I do agree that there are a lot of unsafe drivers in BC. However I much rather have people being attentive and know what they are doing and speed, then have soccer moms on cellphones driving 5000LB SUV's on the highways.
A solution would be to completly rework the drivers training program and give people the skillset to be better drivers...
As for Vehicles the last time it snowed in the Lower Mainland the amount of Vehicles that I saw that were sliding around because they were improperly prepared for the weather was ridiculous. Bald all seasons or High performance tires don't belong in the snow period.
Simply put if your vehicle is not 100% up to operating properly it should be off the road. Brakes, and tires are crucial. That and unsafe drivers are just ticking timebombs.
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Speed does kill,
No it doesn't. That is a myth spread by knee-jerk reactionists.
Bad drivers doing stupid things is what kills. Speed just alters the severity of the crash. Speeding rarely magically creates the crash.
If you held onto the simplistic concept that speed kills, then we should all install speed limiters in our cars preventing them from exceeding 30km/hr.
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Speeding rarely magically creates the crash.
But when it does they are hoirific and uncomprehendable at the destruction left...
You are right, it isn't the speeding, driving error of judgment is the key and knowing how a car handles in situations of road conditions and weather which is so unpredictable, most drivers will loose it because they just don't know how to recover.
An intresting fact is compare Japan (66) to Canada (85) road fatalities per million. I know Japan has speed limiters on every verhicle, I think it is 80 kmh or 100 kmh , their driving test is one of the toughest to pass, takes 6 days to complete from what I remember. Maybe we need something like this also. I remember from living there, there was many times I almost said watch out outloud from how they drive so close to everything
Kevin
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No it doesn't. That is a myth spread by knee-jerk reactionists.
Bad drivers doing stupid things is what kills. Speed just alters the severity of the crash. Speeding rarely magically creates the crash.
If you held onto the simplistic concept that speed kills, then we should all install speed limiters in our cars preventing them from exceeding 30km/hr.
So for the sake of argument, stupidity kills. :wub:
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While the govt is at it they should make mandatory speed limiters on semi's so they can't go over 100 kmh.
I've always thought there was something in the water up there, but now I know it. That is by far the most ignorant thing I've heard you say. Why would you want to restrict a trucks speed when most of the highways in BC are 110? Do you think that may piss of more car drivers and make them perfrom unsafe passing maneuvers? We hear about truck accidents on the radio and TV all the time down here, and it's ALWAYS the trucks fault. Even when that motorcycle lost control on the Port Mann bridge and slid into the back tires of a trailer, killing its two riders. Until the details were revealed, the radio was saying \" we have yet another semi accident on the port mann bridge\"
Perhaps we could train the car drivers, that to pull in front of a loaded tractor and hammer the binders just to make an exit is perhaps a bad idea. Perhaps instead of putting limiters on tractors alone, lets do it to every vehicle on the roads. Cause for the amount of bad truck drivers there are, there is sure as shit alot more dangerous car drivers.
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Many fleet trucks already have limiters in them set to 110 KM/H, I say we install cattle guards on tractors so that when asshole drivers get in there way they can just give them a push to the side. It happens to me at work, I only drive a loaded 1 ton yet its still more difficult for me to stop fast than it is for the asswipe in the honda that just cut me off.
SLOW DRIVERS are just as much of a hazard as fast drivers, hence the latest action of ICBC and Motor Vehicle Branch to start pushing the \"KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS\" rule, new signs have been going up all over the place, still doesnt help though. I have always tried my best to live by the flow of traffic rule as long as I was comfortable doing it. If traffic in the fast lane is doing 130 and you want to pass someone, be prepared to do that speed or wait until its a pace your comfortable with.
Back on topic though, if you want to race take it to the track. It's unlikely that they are going to impound your car if your driving responsibly and abiding the law.
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An intresting fact is compare Japan (66) to Canada (85) road fatalities per million.
Given the fact that the vast majority of people in Japan don't drive, and that you can't go anywhere, your stat shows how much worse they are.
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You are right, it isn't the speeding, driving error of judgment is the key and knowing how a car handles in situations of road conditions and weather which is so unpredictable, most drivers will loose it because they just don't know how to recover.
According to Kirin, it's the car's fault.
As for Vehicles the last time it snowed in the Lower Mainland the amount of Vehicles that I saw that were sliding around because they were improperly prepared for the weather was ridiculous. Bald all seasons or High performance tires don't belong in the snow period.
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Back in the day we would go racing in behind industrial areas and go do it there,( I dont condone that either) these people That are street racing are barreling down #3 road in Richmond and down Night street were there are lots of people walking and driving around. Kids in high priced cars with limited driving experience.
I quite driving a bus because of all the idiots on the road. No common curtisea(sp) on the roads any more. I drove a loaded bus with people standing waiting to get off and some idiot cuts you off and you have to slam on the brakes and they go flying. Usually its the poor old lady with her groceries because no one would give up their seat. :angry:
There should be harder tests with no interpiters.
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According to Kirin, it's the car's fault.
Isn't that how ICBC views it?
At any rate its not like people would actually take responsibility for ensuring their vehicles are safe. When was the last time you saw someone checking their tire pressure?
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According to Kirin, it's the car's fault.
Isn't that how ICBC views it?
At any rate not it like people would actually take responsibility for ensuring their vehicles are safe. When was the last time you saw someone checking their tire pressure?
I checked mine the other day, I check the air on my work truck once a month, I checked Courteneys car the other day. Maybe you can try that with ICBC after your next accident.
Why yes my tire pressure appears to be low, but who checks it anyways? Its got to be the cars fault, no way its my fault!
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The thing is that we are by far the minority. The general public that uses their car as appliances, I wonder how many people check their tire pressure regularly, or know how to change a flat, or to move thier vehicle to a safe place post an accident if it is still driveable....
-Kirin
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While the govt is at it they should make mandatory speed limiters on semi's so they can't go over 100 kmh.
I've always thought there was something in the water up there, but now I know it. That is by far the most ignorant thing I've heard you say. Why would you want to restrict a trucks speed when most of the highways in BC are 110? Do you think that may piss of more car drivers and make them perfrom unsafe passing maneuvers? We hear about truck accidents on the radio and TV all the time down here, and it's ALWAYS the trucks fault. Even when that motorcycle lost control on the Port Mann bridge and slid into the back tires of a trailer, killing its two riders. Until the details were revealed, the radio was saying " we have yet another semi accident on the port mann bridge"
Perhaps we could train the car drivers, that to pull in front of a loaded tractor and hammer the binders just to make an exit is perhaps a bad idea. Perhaps instead of putting limiters on tractors alone, lets do it to every vehicle on the roads. Cause for the amount of bad truck drivers there are, there is sure as shit alot more dangerous car drivers.
Hey Matt I make my statement based on the area we live in. We moved from the lower mainland where we both grew up, and I commuted all over vancouver for many years. Maybe the odd time once every few years I noticed trucks putting peoples lives in jepardy from speeding or stupid driving, . Come live up here and you will understand where I am coming from very quickly. Driving to Kelowna or to Kamloops is the same. Long haul truckers speeding way over the limit, I drive the speed limit, and these trucks fly by. There is no need for it especially when the road is not straight and flat, it is curved everywhere up here as far as I have been to 100 mile and to Golden it is all curved with few straighter 2 laned sections. Maybe there are straighter roads in BC but I have not been past these points other than by plane. The amount of times I have seen \"almost accidents\" where my heart is in my throat because of it is close to once a month. It is mind numbing. These are truckers driving as though they are in a sports car. This is why I think trucks should have a 100 kmh limiter.
Which other roads other than the coquahala are 110?
This is not like the lower mainland, and we have the second best drinking water in Canada( well thats what we were told anyway).
I think that stat I posted Bruce was for licenced vehicles, of course I had problems with my computer today and deleted all my cookies and temp files and can't seem to find where I found that site, you may be right, I'll keep looking.
Kevin
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According to Kirin, it's the car's fault.
It's not the cars fault! I can't believe you guys don't see where the real problem is.
IT\"S THE MOVIE PRODUCERS FAULT! If they wouldn't make these stupid ricer movies like \"The Fast and Furious\" & \"Tokyo Drift\" etc. non of these cars would be on the road :P
OK there's my fun for the day.
Seriously. This could be a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it's handled. If the government only destroys the cars that were used in street racing, GOOD! If they start taking any car that is capable of performing well, BAD! I just hope the government officials are smart enough to see this, if not, everyone will have to make a stand.
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The problem I have Kevin is you generalized truck drivers into bad drivers. Not every Professional Driver controls his/her truck like a sports car, every group has its bad apples, but to control the speeds of just trucks is absolute nonsense. According to ICBC accident stats, the number of vehicles involved in collisions were
Cars, P/u's, Vans etc. - 87.1% of total collisions
Commercial vehicles, including buses - 3.8% of total collisions
Something to think about.
We don't need to control the vehicles of other people, we need better training/education. It is far to simple to get a liscence in BC. Maybe raise the driving age to 18 or 19.
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. According to ICBC accident stats, the number of vehicles involved in collisions were
Cars, P/u's, Vans etc. - 87.1% of total collisions
Commercial vehicles, including buses - 3.8% of total collisions
Stats can be manipulated. In order to decide whether commercial vehicles are a real problem, you would have to factor in the mileage they drive.
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I think that stat I posted Bruce was for licenced vehicles, of course I had problems with my computer today and deleted all my cookies and temp files and can't seem to find where I found that site, you may be right, I'll keep looking.
Even if it were for the numbers of licenced drivers, people in Japan don't go anywhere. They can't comprehend of a car exceeding 100k km because their cars never get that mileage.
In order for the stat to mean anything, it would have to include miles driven.
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SLOW DRIVERS are just as much of a hazard as fast drivers, hence the latest action of ICBC and Motor Vehicle Branch to start pushing the \"KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS\" rule, new signs have been going up all over the place, still doesnt help though. I have always tried my best to live by the flow of traffic rule as long as I was comfortable doing it. If traffic in the fast lane is doing 130 and you want to pass someone, be prepared to do that speed or wait until its a pace your comfortable with.
Back on topic though, if you want to race take it to the track. It's unlikely that they are going to impound your car if your driving responsibly and abiding the law.
As I remember my long trips to Calgary and Edmonton, In Arberta most drivers follow the \"KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS\" and further more, campers edge to the right to let the trafic flow by them.
Hey Matt, I heard in BC some can buy their licence.
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Yes to Bruce and to Matt.
And Matt it is easier to group all truckers together up here than at the coast as every 3rd - 5th vehicle is a truck going either way, so I would say I am now abit biased in a bad way because this is all I see everyday. There was a counter put on the hwy counting trucks and the avg # of trucks in a 24 hour period passing through Sicamous was somthing stupid like 5000-7000. I did not mean to come across as all truckers are bad, sorry , but even if it is 1% of the truckers driving past sicamous that are on the edge that is 50 to 70 drivers every day driving by on this crazy highway that is the only way to get anywhere. Atleast the lowermainland there are many routes to distribute much of the comercial traffic. Here we see it all.
Kevin
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If people were punished properly in the first place there would be less of a problem! here's a good example.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/14/...ed20050914.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/09/14/...ed20050914.html)
exactly. a slap on the wrists doesnt do it. deportation, vehicle siezure & license restriction, jail time, community service (send the perps out to whalley to pick up garbage off the streets in the middle of winter)....make the perps life a living hell so they get it through their feeble mind that they f@$ked up.
Drivers training in B.C is a joke compared to drivers training in Europe. I haven't ever seen statistics comparing say Germany to Canada however I would imagine there would be some differences. My point being is that vehicles over there undergo much stricter examination to insure roadworthyness. Yes I do agree that there are a lot of unsafe drivers in BC. However I much rather have people being attentive and know what they are doing and speed, then have soccer moms on cellphones driving 5000LB SUV's on the highways.
A solution would be to completly rework the drivers training program and give people the skillset to be better drivers...
you can polish a turd until your arms hurt....but it'll still be a turd.
ban cellphone use while driving. how??? big fines. an arguement would be that it would take too much policing to enforce it. \"shouldnt the authorities be spending more time catching killers & drug dealers?\" well, bad drivers can be killers and who knows, you might just catch a drug dealer in the mix.
rather than spend money on training....how about a mandatory retest every time you go to renew your license. sure it's a cash grab....but if you're a good driver, pay the few bucks and go through the process knowing that you'll pass and others will fail because they suck (thusly keeping the bad drivers off the road and hopefully making the streets a little safer). under a certain age and above a certain age, make it mandatory to retest for your drivers license every 2/3 years.
According to Kirin, it's the car's fault.
Isn't that how ICBC views it?
i thought it was a question of driver liability? car works great...driver was speeding and caused the accident. drivers fault...not the vehicles.
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A mandatory retest is a great idea. A liscence is good for 5 years and instead of renewing it, you retest. Every 5 years no matter what the age.
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While the govt is at it they should make mandatory speed limiters on semi's so they can't go over 100 kmh.
I've always thought there was something in the water up there, but now I know it. That is by far the most ignorant thing I've heard you say. Why would you want to restrict a trucks speed when most of the highways in BC are 110? Do you think that may piss of more car drivers and make them perfrom unsafe passing maneuvers? We hear about truck accidents on the radio and TV all the time down here, and it's ALWAYS the trucks fault. Even when that motorcycle lost control on the Port Mann bridge and slid into the back tires of a trailer, killing its two riders. Until the details were revealed, the radio was saying " we have yet another semi accident on the port mann bridge"
Perhaps we could train the car drivers, that to pull in front of a loaded tractor and hammer the binders just to make an exit is perhaps a bad idea. Perhaps instead of putting limiters on tractors alone, lets do it to every vehicle on the roads. Cause for the amount of bad truck drivers there are, there is sure as shit alot more dangerous car drivers.
Hey Matt I make my statement based on the area we live in. We moved from the lower mainland where we both grew up, and I commuted all over vancouver for many years. Maybe the odd time once every few years I noticed trucks putting peoples lives in jepardy from speeding or stupid driving, . Come live up here and you will understand where I am coming from very quickly. Driving to Kelowna or to Kamloops is the same. Long haul truckers speeding way over the limit, I drive the speed limit, and these trucks fly by. There is no need for it especially when the road is not straight and flat, it is curved everywhere up here as far as I have been to 100 mile and to Golden it is all curved with few straighter 2 laned sections. Maybe there are straighter roads in BC but I have not been past these points other than by plane. The amount of times I have seen "almost accidents" where my heart is in my throat because of it is close to once a month. It is mind numbing. These are truckers driving as though they are in a sports car. This is why I think trucks should have a 100 kmh limiter.
Which other roads other than the coquahala are 110?
This is not like the lower mainland, and we have the second best drinking water in Canada( well thats what we were told anyway).
I think that stat I posted Bruce was for licenced vehicles, of course I had problems with my computer today and deleted all my cookies and temp files and can't seem to find where I found that site, you may be right, I'll keep looking.
Kevin
Kevin, these guys put on more miles in a month than most put on in a year. These guys are professionals and know what their trucks can do unlike most kids in new souped up cars
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Shane if I could only send you some video of what some of these guys really do. I live it every trip out of Sicamous
The last one just a few days ago ...we were passed on a long stretch of road with a corner up ahead, 400-500 ' from the corner another semi comes around it, the truck is half way from passing me completely, I am sitting about mid front trailer I can see he is not going to make it, I was allready fading to the shoulder, about the same time he starts fading over while I am still right beside him. Half our truck is on the dirt shoulder off the pavement when he finally gets the whole rig into my lane, I could have rolled down the window and touched the trailer , the second trailer tire marks on the road from where he was to where the other semi came was approx 20 '. He forced me off the road because of his bad judgement, and if I wasn't driving a HUGE F350 crewcab longbox truck myself and was in a car, I'm certain the bumps on the shoulder would have sucked me into the ditch. There was no profesional driver there, only somebody that coudn't stand doing the speed limit of 90 kmh. Defensive driveing saved my family.....again.....This has happened so many times allready. My wife has been scared to the screaming level a few times times now .... it is ridiculous what some truckers think their truck can do. Many truckers are professional, many are not.
It is really hard to comprehend how many trucks are driving down this road on a single lane highway.
OK sorry, I'll shut up now and get this back on topic. I agree with re-testing drivers licences, my late grandfather was 95 and still driving, what an accident waiting to happen he was. My other grandpy is 85 and driving, but he does not comprehend very well anymore, he drove into our parked beetle, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that anything was wrong with hitting another car. He gets lost in Langley, he drives every day to practice driving, he does not shoulder check, he just changes lanes and hope whoever is beside him moves out of the way, never looks in the rear view mirror when backing up...scary. Also maybe a manditory defensive driving school for newbies would help.
Kevin
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My other grandpy is 85 and driving, but he does not comprehend very well anymore, he drove into our parked beetle, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that anything was wrong with hitting another car. He gets lost in Langley, he drives every day to practice driving, he does not shoulder check, he just changes lanes and hope whoever is beside him moves out of the way, never looks in the rear view mirror when backing up...scary.
Kevin
I would tend to agree with you on the truckers. Most are good, some should be jailed. I've got similar stories.
You should really report your grandfather. Call up the dept of ICBC that deals with licencing. Would you rather inconvienience him, or would you rather learn he killed some child on a bicycle? When my buddy went through this quandary with his senile father, he determined that the proceeds from selling the car plus insurance savings, would never be spent on taxis over the remainder of his life.
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The whole family is for him giving up his licence, the problem is he will not. He is old school like many grandparents....stuborn
Kevin
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:( Report tough desicion but the right one
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Kevin, YOU need to report him. You can contact his family doctor and tell him he's not fit to drive. The Dr. has the power to pull a licence.
Think about this, eventually he will, one day, not be driving. There are only 2 ways he will get to that point. One is you making that call, the other is after he kills someone. If you wait, part of the responsibility lies on eveyone in your family.
You said he doesn't acknowledge it is wrong to hit another car. Does he know it is wrong to hit a pedestrian? A cyclist?
IMO, he is much more dangerous on the road than any of those truckers you see in Sicamous.
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went through it with my Dad. There really is no debate. It reaches a point when general saftey is the 1st concern. Family doctor can do it or contacting the RCMP (drastic - but there if necessary). I just hope when my time comes I will remember my Dad and his driving and give it up gracefully!
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From what I remember of going through this with my dad the doctor can only pull the licence is there is a medical condition which will affect his driving ability, or he hands it in willingly, which he refuses to do. We as family can't report my dad as driving bad and have it taken away, something has to happen as in an accident which is stupid. Seniors need to be tested for driving every 5 years. Now back to my grandpy, the whole family is aware of his driving, and has made clear to him he needs to stop driving....he doesn't think he needs to turn it in yet so we can't do anything about it other than follow him with a video camera for proof.
Kevin
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We as family can't
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Back on topic...
Australia is seizing street racer's cars also. But the authorities don't crush them. The seized cars are used for crash testing.
The link, with video.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22740...446-421,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22740446-421,00.html)
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Well even with abig motor I could probablly be overlooked :P Just need one ofthose slowmoving vehicle magnets . A speeding bus Ya right B)
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Well even with abig motor I could probablly be overlooked :P Just need one ofthose slowmoving vehicle magnets . A speeding bus Ya right B)
selling a Bus? :wub: