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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: amishrabbi on August 26, 2007, 02:10:53 PM
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so icbc tells me my car is only worth 6200$, well i told them its not enough and as always i need to show them how much classic cars are really worth.
so anyone with a 58-67 beetle that has 30 min to spare and help me out send me a pm.
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Tell them no problem, but im keeping the motor. What kind of crap is that $6200 my ass.
Good thing is you should not have much of a problem because its difficult to buy a Pre 68 beetle here for cheap.
I have a 1960 thats original paint and solid as a rock, but it looks like a hood ride because its original and weathered and there is no way i would let it go for less then $3500. and its running a 1600SP with Kads, has a Custom 3\" narrowed beam, some H4s and is pretty much stock other then that.
And i know i would get the money for it to.
If your beetle was a solid car you should get $10000 for it.
PS: let me know what you need, i can spare 30mins
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That's not a half bad idea. Did you try that young man? \"I'll take $6200 but I am keeping the motor and every goodie attached to the car??\" You may want to get someone like Duane's German Autohaus or K-Roc to give you a written quote to build your motor again. Just a thought.
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Sent you an e-mail.
This is too public for your negotiations. Have everyone e-mail you or pm you.
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shops are getting called tomorrow for quotes on the work for the engine.
id answer everyones questions here but icbc may be watching, thus the pm's being requested
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not trying to be a dick here young fella, but didn't you pay $5000 for it just a couple months ago? If its worth $10,000 like suggested so foolishly, why did it take Josh so long to sell it for $5000? The way I see it, youre already making a $1200 profit. Ever wonder why we pay so much in insurance fees?
Don't get me wrong, it was a nice car, but maybe you shouldn't get greedy.
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Amishrabbi may of been able to pick it up for that much. However to replace the car with one equally as done as that one is a harder proposition...
-Kirin
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not trying to be a dick here young fella, but didn't you pay $5000 for it just a couple months ago? If its worth $10,000 like suggested so foolishly, why did it take Josh so long to sell it for $5000? The way I see it, youre already making a $1200 profit. Ever wonder why we pay so much in insurance fees?
Don't get me wrong, it was a nice car, but maybe you shouldn't get greedy.
i picked it up cheap becasue josh needed room and money for his new beetle, im sure he could have got more if he had the time to wait for the right buyer.
also i have reciepts for things done after i bought it for $1500, so really im losing 300$ on it. there is 5000 in reciepts for the engine in parts alone, and the engine has 7000 miles on it ie:brand new.
im not looking for 10 000 either matt, just a more fair price considering i do need to buy another pre 67 to replace this one. and it isnt as though icbc is in the red, they are posting record profits, so really we pay high insurance cause they want us to
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I think that you should ask to keep the motor, and take the $6200
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I agree ^
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i still have to convince them the car is worth whatever they want as by back for the car over the 6200 they already offered or \"Assesed\"
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the previous owner of my car had it appraised in 1996 by a company called Laing appraisals. He gave me the letter head, and the receipt for the appraisal. PM me if you think this would help. My car as well is a 1963 beetle.
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A true appraisel is $2500 so what will that do for you ?
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I think that you should ask to keep the motor, and take the $6200
I pm'd you. That being said, it is your call.
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I pm'd you. That being said, it is your call.
what, you never pm'd me?
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I pm'd you. That being said, it is your call.
what, you never pm'd me?
Not you, Him.
Who's on first?
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I think that you should ask to keep the motor, and take the $6200
DITTO
that'd be a deal right there. what's the buy back on the wrecked car ?
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not trying to be a dick here young fella, but didn't you pay $5000 for it just a couple months ago? If its worth $10,000 like suggested so foolishly, why did it take Josh so long to sell it for $5000? The way I see it, youre already making a $1200 profit. Ever wonder why we pay so much in insurance fees?
Don't get me wrong, it was a nice car, but maybe you shouldn't get greedy.
i think what they are offering is fair personally
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Just curious if you guys can get an agreed value policy up there?
I would say that $6,200 looks to be fair. If you get a good buy back on the car it would be a great deal.
http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=...7&vi=87992&da=1 (http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-22-1-5013-0-0-0&l=1&w=22&p=1&f=5014&y=1963&m=1215&d=5724&c=7&vi=87992&da=1)
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The thing that most people dont understand is that it does not matter what you paid for the car. The car could have been a gift, an inheritance, you could have bought the beelte in 1980 for $300 dollers, it does not matter.
What icbc has to give you is Fair Market Value to replace the car you had. And thats not the amount of money it takes to buy a similar 1962 with a 1600cc that they find in the buysell or craigslist.
He paid them what they were asking to insure the car he had, and now its their responsibility to give him what it takes to replace that car.
P.S. the Nada guide does not apply, because the car in question is not Stock.
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Another thing you could do is to say, that if they are unwilling to pay you for your modifications then you will tow the car home (or whereever) And replace the modified parts with stock.
This may work, as i know people who have done this, including a friend of mine. We took his car and removed the wheels and replaced with OEM and stereo because ICBC did not want to pay.
You would then take the motor out, put in a 1200CC which you should be albe to get for dirt cheap, it doesnt even have to run, and remove and replace whatever else you want then send it back and take your $6200.
I would not accept $6200 for a clean car.
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I would not accept $6200 for a clean car.
correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think it was a rust free car
did it have rust in the heater channels and the pan?
i think most of the money was in the engine with a nice DRIVER car.
the car looked great in pics,as my previous statment i think 6200.00 is fair
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Sounds close I hope you figure out a plan and can move on :) .Wrecking any car sucks and can never really be truly replaced for any dollar value :( . hopefully your next ride lasts alot lot lot longer
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I would not accept $6200 for a clean car.
correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think it was a rust free car
did it have rust in the heater channels and the pan?
i think most of the money was in the engine with a nice DRIVER car.
the car looked great in pics,as my previous statment i think 6200.00 is fair
Thats what I was trying to say!!
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Can you replace that car with the mods for $6200 though? That is what insurance is for. The replacement cost of the vehicle.
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icbc only offers replacement value covergae on newer vehicles and its an extra, or it was last time I checked, so good luck with that, the the 6200 and ask for the motor, drop the illusions of $10000 payouts for an old vw, unless its a show car with a magazine spread your not likely to get much more.
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I would not accept $6200 for a clean car.
correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think it was a rust free car
did it have rust in the heater channels and the pan?
i think most of the money was in the engine with a nice DRIVER car.
the car looked great in pics,as my previous statment i think 6200.00 is fair
Yes it was far from a rust free car that's why I sold it and started over from one south of the boarder.
Just guessing but I probably had $9000ish into it over the years, but that doesn't mean that's what it's worth. I got years of fun/use out of it and they are going to hit you with the wear and tear/ depreciation line.
What are you asking for?? will they let you swap the motor for the original 1200cc I gave you? that way it's #'s matching and gotta be worth barret jackson prices ;)
Good luck
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6200 and the car is not to much lower than what im looking for for the car, BUT i still have to make my case that the car is worth more than 6200.
for the last time i never said i was trying to get 10 000 for it, telling icbc thats what its worth maybe because we all know icbc will go lower than you expect even if you expect fair.
now, as thats settled the point of this thread was to have some people assist me, a few people have responded and thank you. if you dont want to help fine, then fuck off and stop telling me that trying to get enough money to replace my beetle is a bad thing.
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Can you replace that car with the mods for $6200 though? That is what insurance is for. The replacement cost of the vehicle.
That sounds a lot like what I said a page ago...
\"Amishrabbi may of been able to pick it up for that much. However to replace the car with one equally as done as that one is a harder proposition...\"
My point being is yes 6200 would of bought that car. However what are the chances that Amishrabbi can get one exactly the same for that amount?
Not very likely in my eyes....
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if you dont want to help fine, then fuck off and stop telling me that trying to get enough money to replace my beetle is a bad thing.
you better hope that wasn't directed at me bud
and even if it wansn't, saying shit like that is a good way to burn your bridges
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not at you josh, or really anyone in particular. i put this thread up to get some help in getting icbc to pay me what the car is worth, everyone seems to think 6200 and the car is peachy. well they didnt offer that to me, they offered me 6200 PERIOD. so if i want the car on top of the 6200 i need to show the car is worth more. ive done this before i can get them to offer higher but this time there arent enough adds on samba to work with so i need local people to do my a favor, not jump at me becasue just maybe id like to get enough money for my car to allow me to keep going with aircooled cars, something that isnt going to happen if i dont get enough money for the beetle becasue im a full time student and my schooling costs me 15 000 every year, not alot of left over cash for a beetle above what i already have.
also for the getting the car back thing, i have no where to store a wrecked car and i leave for calgary in exactly 4 days, makes parting a car out more than a little difficult.
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everyone is trying to help, when you post in a public forum your going to get a variety of opinions, if you want to flip people off then your likely to get nothing.
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. if you dont want to help fine, then fuck off and stop telling me that trying to get enough money to replace my beetle is a bad thing.
and thats whats wrong with kids these days, no respect for opinions other than their own.
Have fun with ICBC youngen.
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not at you josh, or really anyone in particular. i put this thread up to get some help in getting icbc to pay me what the car is worth, everyone seems to think 6200 and the car is peachy. well they didnt offer that to me, they offered me 6200 PERIOD. so if i want the car on top of the 6200 i need to show the car is worth more. ive done this before i can get them to offer higher but this time there arent enough adds on samba to work with so i need local people to do my a favor, not jump at me becasue just maybe id like to get enough money for my car to allow me to keep going with aircooled cars, something that isnt going to happen if i dont get enough money for the beetle becasue im a full time student and my schooling costs me 15 000 every year, not alot of left over cash for a beetle above what i already have.
also for the getting the car back thing, i have no where to store a wrecked car and i leave for calgary in exactly 4 days, makes parting a car out more than a little difficult.
i think your a pro with dealing with icbc already
i'm sure you don't need our help
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You should get more, another good way to argue your case with ICBC is, when they try to low ball you, tell them \"alright, in that case just fix it\"
Which ofcourse they will not want to do.
Some people in this thread are not seeing that you are the victim, a drunk driver ran YOU off the road, wrecked YOUR car. If you were street racing, or driving like an idiot, drunk or high, then sure i could see this being a tough case. But its not a tough case.
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if you dont want to help fine, then fuck off and stop telling me that trying to get enough money to replace my beetle is a bad thing.
dood. Not kewl. It is public and therefore your thread is open to ANY and all opinions. Including the devil's advocate. ]:(
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Some people in this thread are not seeing that you are the victim, a drunk driver ran YOU off the road, wrecked YOUR car. If you were street racing, or driving like an idiot, drunk or high, then sure i could see this being a tough case. But its not a tough case.
Your an idiot. This has no validity at all. The value of the car does not change because a drunk driver hit him, other than it no longer has value other than scrap metal.
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maybe i shouldnt have been so harsh but i really dont have alot of patience right now due to my injuries and stuff, two to three fitful hours of sleep a night doesn't make the most tolerant person i guess. and i really dont have patience for people making me out to be a bad guy for trying to get enough money to replace my car that a drunk driver totaled.
people dont want to help me get another beetle fine thats them with their opinion, ive got three offers of help from people here which i appreciate immensely and hope ill get a few more from others since people helping each other out is what i always liked best about the aircooled community.
as for not needing help the super beetle that i had last was a different type of car, its value was in the modifications (obviously since who wants a super beetle?) where as this one has its value in the vintage parts and the engine.
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Dude from what I read nobody what making you out to be a bad guy unless I missed the post that insulted you.
You invited people to comment on their perception of what the car was worth with your first post.
take or leave comments on here, if you don't like them too bad, don't have a freaker and tell them to fuck off.
from what I can tell you rely on places like these (as do I) for much info and support towards this hobby and show a little respect.
There is a wealth of valuable knowledge in this small circle of very talented people, don't scew it up just because you're tired.
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I'm kinda bored, otherwise I wouldnt bother. I can hate ICBC as much as the next guy.
The thing that most people dont understand is that it does not matter what you paid for the car. The car could have been a gift, an inheritance, you could have bought the beelte in 1980 for $300 dollers, it does not matter.
Im beginning to think everything you type, or think, or speak is complete rubbish. Take a minute and read what you posted.
If the car WAS a gift, or it WAS inherited, or it WAS purchased in 1980 for $300, then the cost of it (to the person in question) would not be relavent. I agree.
But it wasnt any of those things, or anything remotely similar, the car was purchased two months ago for $5000. Fair market value. You dont understand, I think everyone else does
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then fuck off and stop telling me that trying to get enough money to replace my beetle is a bad thing.
My ears are ringing with this language. Shouldn't this be moved to the E-thug forum. B)
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Go easy on the guy. It seems like he's got a lot on his plate right now and probably wanted to get this sorted before he left for Calgary. I'm sure the heckling from the peanut gallery isn't making it any easier. Some people on this forum are pretty quick to get there backs up and seem to take offence to everything. I don't know the guy but it sounds like he's a little frustrated. We've all been there. In the end it is really none of our business and will not affect anyones lives other that his. Let it be. My 2 cents.
Jeremy
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Some people in this thread are not seeing that you are the victim, a drunk driver ran YOU off the road, wrecked YOUR car.
In this case, the drunk has no insurance. ICBC will attempt to recover all costs from the claim from the drunk. If successful, ICBC is out nothing. Maybe you can use that as an argument.
Having not ever seen the car, it is hard to give it a value. However, someone said it was a rusty car. $6200 for a rotten car is generous, IMO.
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take the 6200, and then buy the vehicle back at the scrap value..... usually under a grand, it cant ever be fixed but you can take all the parts off of it and build another..... or part it out and get a few more grand out of it.....