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Offline steveo_32

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« on: November 03, 2006, 07:44:43 PM »
Any of you guys have picts of NHRA cages built for the 56 bug i have?
I have seen lots of nice ones but I just want to make sure i build it right the first time
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2006, 11:59:55 AM »
Anyone have picts of their build up of a cage?
 
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2006, 01:05:36 PM »
go to members section and look through my posts on my car build up , if i remember there was a bunch of photos relating to my cage,it should help
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 03:48:37 PM »
Theres a few guys on here that do cages, but good luck getting them to come out and have a look.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 04:18:58 PM »
Chief Chassis - mine is going in this winter for a 6 point.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 05:37:06 PM »
What is an estimate for a 6 point welded in?  I am thinking of one also

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 06:11:52 PM »
Guessing under 2K - Going with Chromoly.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 06:25:29 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 07:05:30 PM »
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Guessing under 2K - Going with Chromoly.
Wow I was thinking approx $800.00 absolute max based on what I did and how long it took me, being that I don't do this all the time.

When I bent my hoop and did the down bar it took me approx 2 - 2.5  hours from start to finish, bent, welded and bolted it in the car, this included taking all my tools out setting up making a template for shape, and putting padding on.    Metal cost was $88.00 for mine which had 21' of pipe.  Are they really that much?  Only difference in what I did and what is required for NHRA is thicker wall pipe, and 1 side , and 1 hoop down bar.

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 09:12:43 PM »
200-250 per point is a normal charge for Chromoly plus tying into the frame horns etc...

When it comes to safety I wouldn't want anyone other than a professional doing the work.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2006, 09:19:07 PM »
I didnt think he charged that much
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2006, 09:21:27 PM »
This is going on what Jimmy said, I haven't spoken to them yet.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2006, 09:52:01 PM »
5 point ..4140 moly with one swing out..and  you will want one ..trust me on that, or you can ask G-Dog how he likes getting in and out of his car i had my done in oct/04 $ 2400.00 save your pennies as we all know metal has gone up .. Darren  
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2006, 07:00:34 AM »
Yes - I am going swing out on the drivers and solid on the passenger. I am going to enquire about bringing my own steel - we get a pretty good price due to quantity here at the Shipyard. Just need to find out if I can get the appropriate stuff as the Chromo is a weird sizing (wall thinkness isn't standard)
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 07:21:18 AM »
i'm sure i paid around 1500 give or take for a 6 point no swing cage including the 2 drop links to the rear cradle-
-note i'm not a expert in this area but was told , mild steel works better in a crash as it will deform instead of snap so i'm told.
better get the wall thickness for the chromoly as i seam to remember at the time i was doing mine he had a hard time getting it and i don't think the difference in weight was worth the price.
anyway i'm glad to see everyone thinking of getting cages as there is NO price for safety
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 10:21:33 AM »
Weight wise I am looking at around 35% difference between Chromo and Mild; I think it justifies the cost for that amount of weight.

Mild steel you need to use 1 5/8thOD .134 wall
Chromo is 1 5/8thOD .83 wall

Plus you get the nice Tig weld on the Chromoly.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 04:25:36 PM »
Matt Davis is making weld in cages in 4, 6, and 8 point, both Chromoly and Mild Steel.  I think I'm going to get one from him, and have it shipped.  If I can find a few people interested, perhaps we can save on the cost.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2006, 05:06:05 PM »
What kinda price are you looking at for one of those?
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 06:55:04 PM »
CrMo is 30% lighter, 20% stronger, and 200% tougher to weld.  Prone to cracking if not done right.  Pay the money and git it done right!

BTW - you should get your welds magnetic particle tested (magnafluxed) after welding is complete.  There have been a rash of cracked welds discovered in the last three or so years during tech at the track. (Greg is an old buddy and a retired NDT Tech).

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2006, 06:58:54 PM »
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Matt Davis is making weld in cages in 4, 6, and 8 point, both Chromoly and Mild Steel.  I think I'm going to get one from him, and have it shipped.  If I can find a few people interested, perhaps we can save on the cost.
Funny, I just PM him a few days ago asking the  same question just before this post started, but I have not heard back from him yet.. Maybe he is gone or having computer troubles.

If we could do a group buy that would be great.  


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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2006, 11:05:26 AM »
I came across a Kelowna business RH Race cars that does cages, he donated a 8 point cage for any car with install valued at $1000.00 for the awards banquet for the track here.

This works out to $125.00 per point.  I e-mailed him today for a beetle roll bar legal to 11.0 and will post what he comes back with for chromolly and mild steel.  

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2006, 04:50:47 PM »
OK I received a reply back from RH race cars here is what he replied with.

A roll bar which is legal to 10.00 seconds will be about 800.00 mild and
1200.00 moly

mild steel cage will run you about 1200.00 and a
moly one around 1700.00  certified to 8.5 seconds


Wow a pretty good price.

Kevin
« Last Edit: November 15, 2006, 04:53:59 PM by Billyisgr8 »
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2006, 05:26:35 PM »
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5 point ..4140 moly with one swing out..and  you will want one ..trust me on that, or you can ask G-Dog how he likes getting in and out of his car i had my done in oct/04 $ 2400.00 save your pennies as we all know metal has gone up .. Darren
Like Darren said ,I really advise installing a removable drivers shoulder bar ..I'm gonna retrofit one &that won't be cheap after the fact!
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2006, 07:24:46 AM »
Wow, thats a pretty good price Kev. Kelowna might be worth the trip....... once the snow dissapears.
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