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General Forums => Air Speed Lounge => Topic started by: Geoff on August 06, 2003, 02:49:36 PM
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Who will be crowned king of the smack?
We now only have 9 days till Smack down 2003 @ Mission raceway...way...way.
Who will be the winnner and who will be the weiners? Will it be Red Snapper in the trailor queen ghia? (by the way you cant tow it down the track to a low 13. car must run under it's own power)
Or
James \"broken nose\" Buchan with the light weight street strip surrey slut, Or Cow town looker. Not sure what you want to call it?
Or
Kevin in the T4 powered Superbeetle (watch for him bending the frame horns and the motor falling out at the start line)
Who will it be? Let the Smack attack start.
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i gotta throw props to James (just cuz he helped me out) but I don't think the COW looker will be done...and I aint never heard of someone use a broken nose as an excuse....
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Alright here we go, Geoff you sure know how to stir the pot don't ya?!?!
First lets look at the facts:
Brian's Ghia is a work of art, chrome and polish everywhere. He has a beautiful interior with a Mohair headliner. It's definatly a show car - BUT CHROME DONT GET YA HOME AND AN INTERIOR DONT MAKE YA SUPERIOR!!!! Face it he will be a pansy on the line, oooo I don't want to hurt my car the photographer at PIR said it's a work of art, I can't hurt my little baby that took me WAAAAY to long to build and gee whiz I don't know why but it still won't run right. Good thing I just bought a new trailer to haul it around cause it cost me so much to build and I can't even drive it.... And when I do finally drive it I'll call it the lead sled cause it weighs so damn much but gee it sure is pretty huh?
Where is the challenge in that, it's like beating up a chess club nerd in high school, you do it a couple of times then you realize that it's boring and you try and find some bigger fish to pick on.
Which brings my to Kevin....
I gotta give props to Kev for going off the beaten path and trying T4 power, look at the advantages he has - Tonnes of torque, it will purr down the highway without breaking a sweat or moving the Temp needle....
BUT THE TRACK IS ONLY A 1/4 MILE!!!!! His overweight super will be chugging down the track moving the 2000 + Lbs that the car weighs!!!! It's not a hill climbing competition!!!!
I mean come on look at the facts people!! I am going to whoop both their asses like they just stole thier momma's vibrator and killed the batteries. There wont be time for them to cry cause they'll still be going down the track while I'm on the way to the parking lot with my time slip!!!!
Really my car is a lean, mean, pansy ass killin machine, I should nickname my car ALI for that matter!!!
So ya guys say your 2 cents worth, heck keep the 2 cents cause you'll need it to save up for next year so you MIGHT have a chance in hell against me!
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Huh, 4 hours and no reply, I must have scared the kids off I guess.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah..........................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rockon: :rockon:
We'll see who is embarased at the track................my car might be heavier but it's power is from my combo.
Yup, lowly super b T4 beats wannabe high HP T1.......hahahahahah..........
Kevin
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Oooooooooppssssssss..... I forgot, James is getting a 2 day permit, We can expect his car to be running crappy then, and him doging it off the line from being toooo nevous from trying to hard thinking he has a chance of beating us.
I just had to say this, because now he can't use it as an excuse.
The real race will be between Brian and I. I'm hoping for 14.999999999999999 @ 90mph
Kevin
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14.9999999 huh I guess your right aim low and don't get your hopes up seeing as your driving a dog that weighs sooooo much :!:
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yah... a 145+ hp motor all below 6000 rpm,
BEAT THAT
Oh right I forgot, you have about 500 pounds on me hmmm.... you are going to need
A BIG 115 HP MOTOR . :o
I should be worried :lol:
Kevin
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115 is conservative dont you think?
So 500 pounds or there abouts difference in weight, and only 30 hp difference (according to your estimates)
Lets see....
According to an online calculator:
Lets say you weigh in at 2050 @ 145hp
I weigh in at 1550 @ 115hp (which is 500lbs difference)
I will win by over 2 tenths....sorry you need a better argument.... nice try though...
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/quartmile...mit=Get+Results (http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/quartmile.html?lbs=1550&hp=115&submit=Get+Results)
here is the link for you disbelief....
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You bunch of wicker heads! James, your tranny will grenade off the starting line anyway, so you wont be able to see what the other side of the track looks like. Maybe we should name your car the berry picking beetle. Or the surrey sensation 2. Whatever, you lack any experience plus with your pidly little motor should crap out at about 1/2 track. :P. As far as trailers go, Geoff, hows your car getting there? Super Beetle? Not even worried, both motors are so small in comparison theyre 1600 motors with 94mm cylinders.So James, what is your prediction for 1/4 mile time? Weight might be a factor but your big head will weigh you down!The car is at Rudy right now gettig set up and ready to go! See ya later suckers!
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Your car with you in it will weigh 1800 pounds. Your motor will have approx 120 hp because you have the wrong combo of parts :(
I am going to whoop ya forsure.
The math don't lie.
Brian you are going to be a pansy off the line, better be good at playing catch-up, ooooooooooohhhh I feel a win for sure
Kevin
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I love it when guys just asume they will beat a small motored car.. haha
SURPRISE
Kevin
James you honestly think my car will weigh 2050?? NOT!!!
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I think James is a little off the mark in guessing the weight of your car Kev, I think its higher. Why would anyone put a high performance motor in a super beetle? Thats like puting a volkswagen motor in a chevy suburban!Talk is cheap you guys.
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HA suburban that kills me, I will be weighing my car next week, should be hundreds of pounds lighter than you guys.
I'll let you both in on a secret, I have a secret weapon.........A BIG COCK BETWEEN MY LEGS WHICH YOU TWO WOMEN LACK!!!!!!
So there you go, I have no worries, everyone knows how women drive!
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A big cock eh? The only thing you have between your legs is a RASH! Maybe Kevin has a cream he can give you.
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]:( estrogen is compelling me to butt in here...
YOU'RE ON CRACK IF YOU THINK WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE!! i know more ladies than you can count on each of your short and curlies, on this aforementioned *cough*TINY*cough* appendage between your legs, who are hard-core fearless behind the wheel and would tear up that track faster than you can spit out the words \"I'M SORRY,\" when you beg for mercy on all fours!
that comment was almost enuf for me to bring my 16v rocco to mission, to smoke ALL of your sorry asses just to prove a point. :rockon:
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OOOOOOOOH James, your in big trouble now! :rolleyes:
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Nah she said rocco....as in water cooled slow ass car..... no worries. Heck a stock 1600 could beat that.
But moni has a point, Cindy is a fearless driver....or is that scary driver.... She wants to drive my car at the track!
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I know, Kim thinks she going to drive my car to. Thats kinda funny! :lol: I had a Scirrocco, fun car to drive but I raced it in the 1/4 mile and I did a 16.54 approx. Sort of like driving a super beetle.
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You guys both know I built my motor to tow a trailer right. Another reason for you guys to be humiliated.
-super beetle
-T4
-configured for towing
You guys had better hope and pray you beat me, because no-one will let you forget about it and you'll both have to put more money into you're motor's to calm your humiliation. :lol:
Kevin
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Tow a trailer.....You and brian going to the races together cause thats the only way he'll make it!
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Well, this is the first time I heard of this. Its not an excuse is it? Since Im a nice guy, I'll race my tow vehicle against yours. James, shut the @#$% up! ;)
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So you are towing you show queen to the track....PUSSY!!!!!
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james, Your two day permit will already be expired by the time your ready to race!
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Yah PUSSY.
No ...........I want to humiliate you with my tractor motored super beetle.
Kevin
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I doubt either of you will show anyway. :P
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I'll be showing alright.....showing you what a real car and driver can do!!!
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James was in here today talking about towing his car somewhere??? is it realy a trailor queen also?????
There was some talk i overheard, James was saying he hopes it rains so he can get out of this...... These are just rumors. Maybe James can clear them up?
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Oh crap the cat is outta the bag.... Actually what I said was I hope for Brian and Kev's sake that it rains because of the embarresment they will have to endure by being beat by a budget beater with a non stroker engine.
And yes towing did come up, but it was about getting an alignment done on my car, Safety First Right?
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This is getting viscous.
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HAH!!! i haven't laughed this hard since James walked straight into my fence breakin his nose!!! You are all going to embarrass yourselfs....you have built up so much hype over this that all three will crap out when it comes time to step up. Maybe I should race the bus....hmmm.....
Matt
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I am the only one driving my car every day........ 6000 rpm shifts, major rubber into second, not just a chirp either, I'm ready.......... bring it on guys........... B)
Kevin
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Major rubber in second, shit I can do that in my Jetta, so obviously it dont mean shit. And 6000 rpm shifts, better get yourself a rv limiter your gonna burn something out with you \"trailer towing machine\" Wait don't tractors tow trailers, that would make yours a John Deer right?
And ya matt that was funny, one good thing it looks like my nose will set striaght this time, who needs a stinkin doctor!
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BUT CHROME DONT GET YA HOME AND AN INTERIOR DONT MAKE YA SUPERIOR!!!!
hahahhahahahahah .......i'm still laughing at that comment.....that's classic....
-sarah
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Hey Matt, you should race your bus, I could use another case of beer. It better not rain next weekend because James needs to be shown a lesson in driving and how one shouldnt beak off. As far as a real car, did you get rid of that old rust bucket in your garage and pick up something else James?As far as Kevin is concerned its not even worth commenting about. Super beetle HA!
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i predict 16s for the lot of em'....maybe 17s for the super...james you comin by to help with the motor?
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James, be a nice guy and go help out 66split with his motor. Face the facts, your car wont be done, at least you can say you helped someone else get their car ready. All 3 of us have dug ourselves a huge hole, but I wont be the one holding the shovel! ;)
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Brian Brian Brian..... Your cars gonna be dying!!!!
You must have learned how to type in your sleep cause your dreamin buddy. Why not wait till winter and use that lead sled for the snow hills huh! I mean really wake up and smell the coffee, cause it wont be beer cause that will be mine!!!
1 week and counting.... get ready for a lesson in driving!
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I also heard a rumor yesterday that Shane is gonna kick all of our asses.... But he has yet to say anything about what might lurk under his hood....
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66 split
i predict 16s for the lot of em'....maybe 17s for the super...james you comin by to help with the motor?
Hahahaha, you don't know about the Acura RS I wailed on. It's 15's for me forsure, possibly a 14.999999999
Kevin
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Hey James, whos shane? As far as 15's go Ill be pissed if thats all my car does. Im hoping for 2 things, 1- James will show. 2- low 14s or high 13s.
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HA 13's, thats the age of the little girlies you pick up, oh wait no you dont cause your car dont run right!!!
Shane is Rooodie
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Ha! Thats was kinda funny coming from a guy with a glovebox full of candy. Whatever I run will be fine as long as I kick for cornholing ass. Ill gladly take your beer and any dignity that you have left.
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FYI I drink Sleeman's Honey Brown
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Is this gonna go on for another week???? :rolleyes:
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Nope, only 6 more days until I collect on the beer, who wants to help me drink it? I'd offer some to brian but we all know how much of a light weight he is!
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Heck ya
James thinks he has a powerful motor with a light car ( not really that light) ( don't tell him the cam is way big for a 1914cc motor with the little heads he has on them his power is going to start at 6000 rpm but the heads wont breath past 7000)
Brian has big $$ into his motor and it most likely isn't tuned very well to make big power as he doesn't drive it much he will probably either melt the tires on the line or bog it and stall from trying to hard. Then he will have to spend more money on trying to make it faster after he gets beat by a small motored superbeetle
That just leave ME!!!!! to win it all. It looks like I will be handing out all the winnings (beer) because I don't like the stuff.
I can hardly wait
Everyone will want a T4 in their car and then and I wont be the only one around here with one , and then we can start a T4 club , and then we................. ohhhhhhhh I really do have friends honest.
Watch for the free beer on Friday.
Kevin
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Small Heads? Last time I checked 42x37.5 Hand port and polished by Pat Downs ALA Cb Performance weren't considered small.....Maybe the thousands of performance heads that come out of his shop are crap according to Kevin.....gonna be alot of VERY fast bugs running his heads mad that they have to change because of you Kev.... And as for the cam, it's perfect for the heads/ carbs/valvetrain I am running, and so what if I rev it to 8000, its made to handle that :!:
As for the free beer, the only thing free that night is the tissue I will be handing you and Brian for your failed attempt to beat a non stroker.
And speaking of Brian, he sure is quite, kinda like he will be on friday at mission.....
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ohhhhhhhhhhh touchy subject.
Your 33mm intake size is a little small and only 1 mm bigger than stock, the truth hurts,
You're not having second thoughts yet about getting beat are you?
I'm sure Geoff will console you after your butt whooping on Friday, just remember to not bend over when getting more klenex, Geoff has been known to do \"STUFF\"
Kevin
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2 words.......air velocity, you may have heard of it, if not check it out, its kinda important for an engine.
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Yup velocity is king, we'll see.
So Brian hasn't mentioned what size motor he has or what he has for parts in it with what kind of heads and port work.
What you got Brian.............
Kevin
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He has a killer 1200cc single port, or at least he will have one because he wont be able to get his dinky lil engine runnin right!!!
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Oh I see Kevin wants to bring me into this now? i'm not the one to be worried about, I think Kevin has one of those rainbow flags on the back of his SB.
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James those heads of yours are pretty small compared to what ive got.(44/38) The motor is a 2221cc. fk89cam, p&p heads, waterboxer pistons(94mm) (this is where it gets interesting) vanagon rods, 9.7-1 compression, 48 idfs, steel staight cut gears, pertronix ignition, Transmision done by Terry Hoogstins, with super diff, welded gears, close ratio 3rd, heavy duty side plate. I pick the car up today Mikey says you dont have much of a chance either! Kevin & James should spend less time on this forum and get their cars ready! tick tick tick...................
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Hahahahah.......Oh oh, Brian your cam pulls way to high, you say ported, what kind of flow??? I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say 150 cfm @.500 unless you have SE's which are ported then possibly 180 @500 if you have a stage 7 port. Power below 4000 will be non existant in your motor, and if you bog on the line.... see ya!!! You have boat anchors for rods and the wasser piston uses a 24 pin which is very heavy and the piston itself is a boat anchor, You are going to spin a rod bearing for sure if you see 6500+ rpm which is where the power is from your cam. The only way you are going to beat me is by pulling 6000+ rpm's + Next questions is will your motor stay together and are you willing to push it that hard?
I had 24 pin pistons but went with 22 pin pistons instead because it saved 370 grams per rod/piston combo, which is huge when turnig 6000 rpm+
I'm going to waste you for sure. :lol:
Kevin
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Kev, you think you know soooooo much dont you? Speaking of boat anchors why would anyone use a super beetle? Bring your beer to the track and well see.
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Speaking of boat anchors why would anyone use a super beetle?
Hmmmmmmmm let's see
-3 suitcases- 2 duffle bags 2 lawn chairs bag of kids toys box of food, 5 people, 8000 feet climb in the heat, 4 hour trip 1 way , comfortable ride, and can pass on the hills.
yup that would be why I picked a super and a T4
I would be ashamed for you to get beat by my car, I'll ask what everyone likes for beer since I will be passing it out as I don't drink the stuff.
Kevin
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Kev, you mention 4 hours one way. Did you break down on the way back? I almost couldnt make it for this weekend but things worked out far better than I thought. The car pulls awsome right from the getgo. Im pretty easy to please as Budwiser will work for me.
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Kev, you mention 4 hours one way. Did you break down on the way back?
No but how about in the drive way, putting in a mallory cdi and 2 step a couple of days ago, CRAP the car won't even start or run and I disconected everything and only have the points and coil hooked up and still nothing. problem is I don't have time to fix anything right now as work is to busy. The mallory fried something and I have to find out what it was.
I'm not sure if I will have it going again for the Gene berg cruise wed night, Thursday is my only day I could book off, and Friday I'm at Childrens hospital all day for my daughter.
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Hey Kev, first of all sorry to hear about your daughter. Secondly, are you giving up on Friday night? Hope things work out.
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Give up no way man!!!!
Late for the drag night is a possibility though as we are meeting with surgons around 12:00 to go over latest test results and then pro-cons of different approaches to surgery.
I might be late and if there are 225 cars lined up early I might not make it into the field.
Which means lucky you.
Thanks for the concern though.
BTW I got my car running again just now. I replaced the condensor to run with just points, so I guess the cdi runs with no condensor then, since it blew my other one out. I'm not sure if I want to hook it up though before friday. It's not fun when your car does not run right or not at all.
I also changed the advance curve on the dissy and backed off on the timing to 28 degrees from 30, and then took it for a drive, looks like I will be putting it back to 30.
Kevin
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OHH boy, I hope you do make it Kev, the rumor has it that James car wont be done. I wonder if theres any truth to it? I guess if you dont show just make sure the beer is cold when you give it to me. ;)
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Oh wow what a read this was, I re-read every post from the begining. I laughed so hard :lol: . OK so for this year are we going to have us 3 stoogies go at it again?
Brian are you even going to try to be ready for the great cdn? James won't have his car back together , looks like it will be just me and a single port running
I will predict a 13.5 to a 14.5 run for me, which should give James a run if he can finish the car AGAIN.
Kevin
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Oh wow what a read this was, I re-read every post from the begining. I laughed so hard :lol: . OK so for this year are we going to have us 3 stoogies go at it again?
Brian are you even going to try to be ready for the great cdn? James won't have his car back together , looks like it will be just me and a single port running
I will predict a 13.5 to a 14.5 run for me, which should give James a run if he can finish the car AGAIN.
Kevin
I just read the whole thing aswell.... MY god Kevin you have not changed..... :lol: :lol:
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What's the point - I've moved on to killing bigger prey - Here Brucey Brucey......
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Ha Ha, we'll see but I dont think you could even keep up at all this year since I WILL be running on all cylinders and my motor should put out more power than most guys around hear who are N.A. I guess the challenge from JAmes is on now
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haha james, your gonna have to get past me first bucko!!
and btw it aint gonna happen....
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Is on???? What's that Bruce??? I can barely hear you as your BEHIND me still from last year!
Danny - just worry about keeping your tires on....
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why do you guys let James get to you???
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Cause I SCARE them - must be hard to accept defeat from an engine 2-400cc smaller than their's!
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Oh brother, here we go again! James just doesnt learn.
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Learn??? How when I'm the teacher!
Anyways - this year isn't about me vs anyone, that was last year with you Martha - Anyone else on board care to take the challange and call someone out?
Some big engines being built - care to make it interesting....... Or are ya chicken.....
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Cause I SCARE them - must be hard to accept defeat from an engine 2-400cc smaller than their's!
I share the same thoughts. Of course with my 1600 stroker beater.
Kevin
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I share the same thoughts. Of course with my 1600 stroker beater.
Kevin
Kev you actually have to show up,,, Park all them excuses you have in the garage....
:o
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Cause I SCARE them - must be hard to accept defeat from an engine 2-400cc smaller than their's!
James, only you know what accepting defeat feels like. Oh, maybe Kevin does to :lol: . I havnt done anything thing to the ghia since the last time I raced you guys. No changes for me as Im working on the Fiat. But If i were a betting man I would put my money on Bruce.
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Here Brucey, Brucey.... [/size]
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Anyways - this year isn't about me vs anyone.
Here Brucey, Brucey....
:blink:
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Hey , smack talk all you want . If you feel that you'll be the better man then lets put a wager on it. Put your money where your mouth is. You dont scare me but like I said before my car was running probably about a 1/3 less power than what it is capable of due to my manifolds being sheared off at the heads and leaking, which was my mistake not loctite the bolts.
We'll see at the track who is the better man, Im not hiding and not needing to cut holes in my car to go faster. Bring it!!!!
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maybe we could start a little tournament action with some money on it, say $25 per car, I would be willing to oversee it, being about the only one who really hasn't done much smack talking here.
Any takers?
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maybe we could start a little tournament action with some money on it, say $25 per car, I would be willing to oversee it, being about the only one who really hasn't done much smack talking here.
Any takers?
I have not smack talked
... My money is on Bruce..
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.... GCVW ..... tick tock, tick tock - don't get to nervous before then......
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James,James, what have ya started? Even if your car does a little better than it did last year, you still WILL NOT get past first round. I will put money on that. Bring it on little man!
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Ye all need not worry...*cough* cough* if i can drop this doobie and get my hand outa the bowl of doritos i might have my car done in time enough to spank you all :)
im not really into smack talk...make peace not war right?
BUT altho im a dog fucker and never get things done on time..its pretty friggin obvious whos gonna spank who here..i know the hulk is a nice fast car..ya ya..really pretty with all the nice paint and fake motor in the magazine..but i know my turbo EFI 2.0L is gonna walk ALL over you other guys.. come on..your all just lucky that i did not make it out last year..or you would not even be having this conversation right now..there would be no contest.
Ohh. and for the hulk. Its gonna be WAR on you when my new motor is in..i know Jim says the hulk is the fastest..and that its gonna stay that way..hell i would be telling myself the same thing if i was in your shoes.
But you have no idea what your all in store for.
once this cage is all welded up..your all going down.
Cale
:rockon: D-S-R :rockon:
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Ye all need not worry...*cough* cough* if i can drop this doobie and get my hand outa the bowl of doritos i might have my car done in time enough to spank you all :)
im not really into smack talk...make peace not war right?
BUT altho im a dog fucker and never get things done on time..its pretty friggin obvious whos gonna spank who here..i know the hulk is a nice fast car..ya ya..really pretty with all the nice paint and fake motor in the magazine..but i know my turbo EFI 2.0L is gonna walk ALL over you other guys.. come on..your all just lucky that i did not make it out last year..or you would not even be having this conversation right now..there would be no contest.
Ohh. and for the hulk. Its gonna be WAR on you when my new motor is in..i know Jim says the hulk is the fastest..and that its gonna stay that way..hell i would be telling myself the same thing if i was in your shoes.
But you have no idea what your all in store for.
once this cage is all welded up..your all going down.
Cale
:rockon: D-S-R :rockon:
Cale.....
Just show up
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Are there wagers on the side? I can see a real easy way to make a couple extra bucks on the James vs Bruce episode. I got my money on Bruce.
James, you need to get your car up to Salmon arm still....I smell a repeat of 2 years ago, Mr Smalk-talk no-show.
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It looks like I am going to setup a pool, I will get the details together over the road trip and then post it when I return, there is some money to be made here!
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I could show up....it might just happen.
did ya get a motor in your car yet?
Cale
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I pick the motor up tomorrow. and when I get back from vegas, I AM GOING TO INSTALL IT! ( get that Silas)
I should be ready about mid March, Just have to finsh some work on my sandrail yet...
And you are not gonna show..... are you..
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I pick the motor up tomorrow. and when I get back from vegas, I AM GOING TO INSTALL IT! ( get that Silas)
just remember, it goes in the back of the car. B)
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Hey , you can borrow my tools if your gonna put that motor in yourself :D
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Hey can I borrow some tools from ya...
;)
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Ohya what I hate living up here is the... \" Hey dad can you ship me the compresion tester, valvespring compressor, ridge reamer and the inch pound torque wrench with the 1/4\" to 3/8\" adapter?\" I just cant drive over to pick up what's not here anymore. Jeez we would just say whatever it was we needed to trade back and forth, drive over and get it, now it has to be shipped, and it costs $20.00+ too.
Thats life in Booneyland. Oh by the way it snowed here this morning.
So I'll put in $25.00 for this wager. I'll be running street tires and still beat James.
Kevin
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Ohya what I hate living up here is the... " Hey dad can you ship me the compresion tester, valvespring compressor, ridge reamer and the inch pound torque wrench with the 1/4" to 3/8" adapter?" I just cant drive over to pick up what's not here anymore. Jeez we would just say whatever it was we needed to trade back and forth, drive over and get it, now it has to be shipped, and it costs $20.00+ too.
Thats life in Booneyland. Oh by the way it snowed here this morning.
So I'll put in $25.00 for this wager. I'll be running street tires and still beat James.
Kevin
Kev, First you have to show up....
and there is no sense in throwing away $25 , as you could use it for shipping.... :rolleyes:
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Kevin I'll race you any day anywhere ------ Oh wait you don't have a car yet do you?????