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General Forums => Classifieds => Topic started by: vwjohn53 on July 16, 2004, 04:35:58 PM
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:!: I want to publicly apologize to anyone who has bought a VW from me in the past, that has found that it had rust issues. i have not covered up rust with spray foam, or carpet, or angle iron, or an old STOP sign to hide rust. but.................. i have bought a lot of VWs that have cans of spray foam empitied into every cavity. I have not gone back to a person, ever, to bitch, after i bought a VW from them. I have found out that not every transaction that goes on between people, ends up amicably. i will apologize for my shortcomings! :ph34r: i know i will get some or maybe many replies to this, but that is unfortunate for both you and me. thank you :huh:
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After James boldly said his piece , I agree with him, what you did to that newcomer to the vw community was horrible, and if you decide to particpate in any vw function sell stuff with pride and honour since we all have to see each other. I feel horrible for what you did to that kid who just wanted a bug to c ruise with and you sold him a p.o.s. and thats not going to cut it in this area , have some pride.!!!!!! just my 2 cents
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John,
We are your friends, and we love you. To John's accusers: How much is a DAMN motor vehicle inspection? Come on now. We know John well, and love him. He has been into, and daily driving VW's long before most of us were in diapers. He is a great father to his children, and a good friend to those of us who have taken the time to get to know him. He has also helped numerous people without ever asking for a cent.
Chris & Gina
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John,
We are your friends, and we love you. To John's accusers: How much is a DAMN motor vehicle inspection? Come on now. We know John well, and love him. He has been into, and daily driving VW's long before most of us were in diapers. He is a great father to his children, and a good friend to those of us who have taken the time to get to know him. He has also helped numerous people without ever asking for a cent.
Chris & Gina
Maybe you can help this kid get his lugnuts off that John JB welded on??? Come on Vehicle Inspection??? He is a 19yr old kid, who just wanted a Bug so it is ok for a "loving Father" to take advantage of this kid and sell him a "Death Trap" Not just a car that needs a little work... But a Full on Death Trap!. All I know this is not the first story I have heard. I dont deny he is a good father and a good friend to you.. However anyone, I mean anyone who has a concience (Spellin) Would never in a million years sell a car like I just saw to a young kid!!! I could not sleep at night knowing I may have had anything thing to do with ending some kids life for $1400.00
But atleast you got the extra $400 for those empi's which were JB welded on!!! :blink:
John needs to reconize what he has done and make good!! THat is all we ask!!! Now I will step down off this pedistal you put John on!! ;)
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Damn Shane - you beat me to it.
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well I am off the soap box now, get on!!!
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Shane said that perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As a vw mechanic i have safety inspected 100's of cars over the years. I took a look on Sunday at the black hunk. Condemmed on the spot. I have sold a few bugs over the years, but i would never have the balls to try to pass off something like that, hell i part out cars 10 times better than that. I am very disappointed that we still have people like this in the vw community.. My 2 cents Marcel
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John has driven this beetle daily for what three years? Daily driver.......and John isn't dead. I'm not saying the deal was good or bad but from High school I've heard from teachers "Buyer beware" and it is up to the buyer to check things out, not up to the seller to try to discourage someone fropm buying a car from them, and come-on.... Any of you should know by now that if you want a reliable car for school you get a Honda not a vintage VW. I'ts embarassing as shit but we drive a Honda almost everyday. We hate it and know it's not as cool as a flat black flamed beetle, but we need the reliability. John's about one of the only guys I know that has the guts to drive one daily (but have you seen the tools and spares he carries with him?) go to vintagebus.com and read "The Rules" by Unca Joe Walker. Did John force the kid to buy the car? I don't think so.
One other thing. You can't make fun of a guy for his disability. and you can't knock a guy for not being able to make it on $800 bucks a month (disability). Shame!
Chris & Gina
If you need a Honda ours is for sale. It's not cool and it's a piece of shit but it has never broken down on us in three years.
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John has driven this beetle daily for what three years? Daily driver.......and John isn't dead. I'm not saying the deal was good or bad but from High school I've heard from teachers "Buyer beware" and it is up to the buyer to check things out, not up to the seller to try to discourage someone fropm buying a car from them, and come-on.... Any of you should know by now that if you want a reliable car for school you get a Honda not a vintage VW. I'ts embarassing as shit but we drive a Honda almost everyday. We hate it and know it's not as cool as a flat black flamed beetle, but we need the reliability. John's about one of the only guys I know that has the guts to drive one daily (but have you seen the tools and spares he carries with him?) go to vintagebus.com and read "The Rules" by Unca Joe Walker. Did John force the kid to buy the car? I don't think so.
One other thing. You can't make fun of a guy for his disability. and you can't knock a guy for not being able to make it on $800 bucks a month (disability). Shame!
Chris & Gina
If you need a Honda ours is for sale. It's not cool and it's a piece of shit but it has never broken down on us in three years.
But John did "Backdate" The Insurance papers 1 week so the kid had no Buyers remorse. Shame Shame....
John should be dead with the shit he drives...You know John is not the Victim here.. JB Weld on lug nuts...???
I think you are fighting a loosing battle here as I could give you 10 John stories...easy...
JB WELD on LUGNUTS!!!!
Would you sell a car to a kid as a Daily driver if you knew this????Would ya Gina??
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High tech Hyde Park,
As a new VW'er, I have dealt with John on numerous occasions. He has always given me advice, tips and leads on parts cars, free of charge. What happened with the bug the fellow bought from John is unfortunate.
I guess that's what this great AirSpeed forum website is for, asking around if anyone has seen or heard of a certain VW, or if anyone with some VW knowledge is available to take a look with them. I am lucky to have a friend who is a VW fanatic and helped me buy an old 65 Beetle. It needs alot of work but it's pretty solid. Things that I would never have looked for or read about was pointed out to me. If you're unsure phone some VW parts places, search the internet for help, etc....
As for the personal jabs, total B.S.!!! Everyone of us has something happening in our lives that's not perfect.
Hey, did you hear Jack is on welfare?, Steve is unemployed?.......look in the mirror! You're not perfect!!
I still support John, he has always helped me out when needed.
Jeff
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He tried to sell me 1 of 2 different beetles he has, saying they were both roadworthy, when they were rust buckets, the saying goes "BUYER BEWARE" but shame to those who see a buyer that can be taken advantage of, sorry but I will not be buying parts from him unless he makes good. Personally I think he should give the kid his money back and take the car back.
Just my 2 cents.
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Unfortunately what applies here is buyer beware by John's standards. What bites is the fact that the newbies to the vw world trust some of the seasoned vw veterans and believe what their told. I stand firm that john knowingly sold a piece of junk to a unsuspecting buyer. How would you like it if it was your son or daughter that bought it!!!???? Think about it! Marcel
Ps i have met John a few times and dealt with him once and thought he was a nice outgoing person to deal with, but as i previously stated i am deeply disappointed with what has transpired, and unfortunatly sorry doesn't cut it.
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He tried to sell me 1 of 2 different beetles he has, saying they were both roadworthy, when they were rust buckets, the saying goes "BUYER BEWARE" but shame to those who see a buyer that can be taken advantage of, sorry but I will not be buying parts from him unless he makes good. Personally I think he should give the kid his money back and take the car back.
Just my 2 cents.
I 100% agree. Apologize all you want, it's still not realy going to change what people on this board think.
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If you're that sorry, refund the money and prove you are actually that.
:!: Plain and simple.
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Hmmmm.......sounds like alot of upset people. I've never met this John fellow, but if anyone is going to defend this guy they must be crazy! Loving father aside, anyone who acts like such a nob, and hasn't already made amends to the said young person is unmoral, and as far as I'm concerned NOT community minded. James said it right, "We have a small tight knit family here" and to leave a mark like that is just a disgrace.
In the end we are just human and we all do make mistakes, but Pre meditated tom foolery is just not acceptible, in any Family!
Appologise you may, but be a Man and take that POS back!
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Man that sucks - $1400(?) for a shit-box with "empi's" and JB-weld on the lugnuts! What a jerk. Been-there-done-that when I was that kids' age.
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Back-dating the papers = not cool. >:(
Taking blatant advantage of a noob = not cool. >:(
Selling a parts car as a "daily-driver" = not cool. >:(
JB Weld = not cool EVER. Might as well have used Duct-Tape >:(
On a positive note:
I have some parts and time I'm willing to donate to the cause if the car in question is at least repairable and not too far gone. I've been known to crank a wrench from time-to-time so if this guy needs a hand still let's help him out.
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Not to mention some of the above is also illegal.
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I have never meet John and hopefully he sees the light and rectifys the problem . I'm sorry to hear you had problems with Rudy feeg though . :( I have known him and his son Stephan for 15 years and had many cars serviced there 'friend mike grocott still works there . I also bought a Fox wagen and jetta current car sight unseen and have been pleased with both cars . :) I'm sure you have your reasons of which we won't go into ,but in Rudys defence I personally have had good dealings with him . I will say one thing however he still thinks I'm crazy driving my old van around :blink: I guess sometimes you have to go with more than your gut feeling and get some second and third opinions . My first car a 67 standard beetle was unfortunately also a learnig experience due to bad advise and a clever salesman . The good point is there are enough of us good vw lovers out there willing to speak up and help this kid out , that shows true support and the bright side of this forum . Just as they say my 2cents
OUTKAST
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I had lived beside Rudy feeg for a number of years... I have also bought a car off him no problem. Despite he was always a grumpy old Fart! This thread is about 1 certain dealing. It is not intended to Bash anyone and everyone.. WE would not be bashing John if he did the right thing...
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Actually OUTKAST you have met John. Remember the guy in the flamed beetle I got my Bus Glass from? The one who sold me a beetle blockoff plate saying it was a type 2 of early vintage...... Guess I should have brought the measurements with me. Learning curve...........
JB WELD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OMG. I heard some cheesy S*** before but that takes the cake. John you should be shot and pissed on for, if nothing else, warning him about the wheels. GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE.
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Unfortunatly there is nothing we can help James out with the car. Heater channels(not there) , Front frame horn (rusted through), Front beam(rusted through) he's taking out motor (his rebuilt) the trans and wheels and scraping the rest. He asked me if there was anything i wanted off it But couldn't find anything worth while! Marcel
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As for Rudy - well I probably shouldn't be holding a grudge after 10+ years and I shouldn't have compared my deal with the this deal because it pale's (spelling) in comparison to this joke of a deal.
I'll edit that out of my post. My appologies - off topic.
If you guys can edit it out too that would be great. .
As for this kid, what exactly what has transpired out of this deal now?
Has there been any sort of compensation for him at all?
Any arrangements been made between the two to better the situation?
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When i saw James on THurs. nothing new has transpired ,hasn't heard any more from John, Obviously John dosn't intend any compensation. James apparently getting a car from Hans and put his drivetrain in it. Marcel
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I know I am a ways away but I got some good doors and fenders for a beetle that this kid can have if the new car needs em. Let him know he can PM and if I have any parts he may NEED.....I maight be able to help. Coming down on Saturday so let me know.
As for the tight knit community; I truly appreciate all the free advice and the ribbings back and forth on this forum. If it's a free armrest for Matt or some parts for a kid that's gotten a bum deal so that all can be made right I'd say I'm in. If we all pitch in a few parts, a little time and so on then that close knit stuff stays that way.
Sounds real hokey but that kind of stuff is what has kept me in this circle.
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While I usually enjoy the friendly banter back and forth on these forums, I feel that some of you have digressed and soiled the good nature and intention of this forum. How dare you guys sit on the judgement seat and drag a fellow enthusiast
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As a new member on here i know neither of the parties involved , but i think the posts speak for them selves, including your friend condemming you by saying you were driving it like that for years. Its people like you who drive home drunk safe in the knowledge that they have never had an accident before...and kill thousands each year, have you never been to a hospital emergency room and seen victims of such genius behaviour...You are an Oxygen thief if you want my opinion...
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what I've gotten out of these post is that this vw community is small and somewhat tight knit, and for someone to sucker someone of the same community is pretty low, we all trust each other and take each others advice and sometimes it isn't good advice but never the less it's advice, however there is a big difference between bad advice and just out right lying to someone!
I know neither party involved, but JB welded studs (is that even legal?) and back dated transfer papers.....makes me wonder!
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If you guys were so concerned for this
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STOP PLAYING THE JUDGEMENT GAME, YOU
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no one has asked him to go away, just to correct a bad situation. That would be the sign of a good hearted person.
Please dont make assumptions of others. I dont think anyone here has.
And in regards to buying a car, buyer beware is the rule but this situation appears to have crossed that line into something that would be considered illegal and or wrong by many different organizations.
John made his apology and chose to leave the forum, no one asked him to do that, they just asked him to make good with this sale.
very well said. that pretty much sums it up.
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Speak for your self! Only vehicles i have sold are below market value, subject to vehicle inspection, and a 30 day money back. I have not had a single compliant in 25 years thankyou very much!!!!!!!!!! Marcel
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Chris,
Thank you for your 0.13 cents worth. Your post should have come 30 posts ago before we all got on the bashing band-wagon. Yes, John apologized and left the forum on his own free will. In his position, he would have been a fool not to. Should he make good with his sale? Absolutely. Was he dishonest? Did he knowingly scam this kid? That could very well be the case, however, once the subject turns to taking personal hits (passing judgment on his disability insurance, comparing him with drunk drivers, etc) I think everyone should be prepared to hear the devils advocate. Personal hits are overboard. Chris, you present an eloquent summary to the whole issue as opposed to a personal attack on Jon. That is voicing an opinion and that
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I am the kid. my name is james. it has been interesting to read all your posts, i dont have very many comments to make. just simply that, by no means do i put all the responsibility on John. i was in a pinch and needed a car, i approached him, and he said he had a daily driver for sale. so i checked it out, and yes i should have gotten it inspected, but i didnt. he told me the problems, and i he said he would get me the parts to get them fixed. it has been a few weeks now, i sent him one last e-mail on monday, and if i dont hear from him, i will bite the bullet, strip it, and wreck it. there is not much else to do. i rushed into buying this car, i had blinders on, and i got taken. i am out 1400, but i learned a valuable lesson. it was said that a good $1500 beetle are fair and few between...and that is true.
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Hey James. Sorry to hear about the bum deal. I'm the dick who played devil's advocate and accused everybody of selling crappy cars! I'm not gonna tell you my name though (hence the reason I created Ghia-san pretending to be a newbie!) cause a couple of you guys are gonna shit if you find out who I am! I was waiting for James to take the bait cause he seemed so touched by the whole thing! No such luck though!
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I have been reading all these posts and I cant believe what has happened to this poor kid. I feel for ya. Weve all been there i guess. But I think John has probably put himself out of business. Word travells fast around here. Im kinda wondering if he'll show at GCVW. As far you ghia-san nobody likes someone who hides behind a computer screen.
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As far you ghia-san nobody likes someone who hides behind a computer screen.
Everybody that has an opinion on any topic, being this bum deal or james ferry fuck-up, voices that opinion under there own name. up front and center, if you can't stand behind your name/identity, your opinion is shit.
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Everybody that has an opinion on any topic, being this bum deal or james ferry fuck-up, voices that opinion under there own name. up front and center, if you can't stand behind your name/identity, your opinion is shit.
Who is this Matt guy anyway, who the hell would use a nickname like that on a forum, doesn't give anybody any idea of who he really is. This guy is just as bad as that James guy. :P ( I put shane as I was thinking of some way to get him but I always meant James )
Oh wait Mighty 45's forever brother
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I was waiting for James to take the bait cause he seemed so touched by the whole thing! No such luck though!
WTF?
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I say we put this to rest and let James ( reefreshd_jive ) work on this issue with John, and if he needs help then I am sure he knows that he can ask us. If not he will know now.
John knows the issue and so does everyone else, and everyone probably has decided as to whether or not they will do business with John anymore.
Just another 0.13 cents US, Geez I think I have given too much of my money to this post. :blink:
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While I usually enjoy the friendly banter back and forth on these forums, I feel that some of you have digressed and soiled the good nature and intention of this forum. How dare you guys sit on the judgement seat and drag a fellow enthusiast
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I'm the dick who played devil's advocate and accused everybody of selling crappy cars! I'm not gonna tell you my name though (hence the reason I created Ghia-san pretending to be a newbie!) cause a couple of you guys are gonna shit if you find out who I am! I was waiting for James to take the bait cause he seemed so touched by the whole thing! No such luck though!
you're an idiot. and i dont give a f*@k who you are.
creating a false identity and coming to THIS particular thread just to stir the pot? smart move.
this thread is not a beheading, and the seriousness of it is important. this information is important for all to know. this group of friends and enthusiasts is growing and we need to stay true and honest to eachother.
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Here Here!!! Being part of a community of people all with the same interests is all about forming relationships(good ones) In one that is groing as rapidly as our scene there is bound to be a few issues along the way, and these forums are the only media for an idividual to speak to all who are involved, and know whom there talking to.
My name is Mike James, I own a 1968 Fastback(Black)that I just got on the road a month ago, I've had it for six years and its great to finally drive it.
As for this Ghia-san whoever you are, get a life man(woman) none of us need a "devils advocate" and who are you to think YOU have the right to hide yourself, in my opinion, this move is almost as bad as Jon selling the said car!
I think this thread either needs to change topics, or stick with what it started as.
Thanks. <_<
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you're an idiot. and i dont give a f*@k who you are.
creating a false identity and coming to THIS particular thread just to stir the pot? smart move.
this thread is not a beheading, and the seriousness of it is important. this information is important for all to know. this group of friends and enthusiasts is growing and we need to stay true and honest to eachother.
agreed
keep in mind the transaction in question is one of many. maybe John would like to talk about his international dealings where people don't have any means of repercusion......
like was stated before, finaly someone has come forward!!
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I have read all of the posts on this thread and many people feel strongly about John and how he operates. Personally I think Gina makes a good point and that is John makes $800.00 a month on disability. To me this explains why ninety five percent of what John sells is garbage that he gets for little or no cost. He then uses whatever means necessary(bondo/etc) to craft the parts into various rotten hulks he has owned over the years. I think it has taken until now for most to get mad because anyone who has been in the scene more than a month knows very well to avoid buying anything from John unless it has been inspected on every level. He is good though at finding old vw's and I know he has passed on some great deals to his friends. I think I am with everyone here in that we don't criticise his disability pention but the way he misrepresents his cars. I would have much more respect for him if he took a more honest approach to business. The only other deal that was as bad as a John's deal was the deal my brother inlaw got at Westgate VW in Maple Ridge, he bought a 1970 bus that was the most rotten bus I have ever seen. He bought it without my consent or prior knowledge. He paid $1800.00 for it and the only things that were salvageable was the tranny, the motor and the gas heater. Once he threatened VW with going to the better business bureau they took the full purchase price and put it towards a diesel jetta that passed a 151 point inspection. So lets make this thread positive and let John know that we are watching him and he is welcome as long as he cleans up his act.
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So lets make this thread positive and let John know that we are watching him and he is welcome as long as he cleans up his act.
F#$K that Shit this Guy Sold a car with back dated papers, JB weld on the lugs :blink: . He sold that kid a death trap :angry: and left him with no way out of this deal.
shawn
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oh and lets not even mention his ghia that was sponsored by 3M and Canadian tire
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though that seems to be John's M.O. he takes a really bad car and puts flashy wheels on it to make it look good
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Glad James is bringing this thread back into focus. Never mind the mud slinging or name calling we simply are focusing on bad deals with John ,this one in particular with one black flamed bug!!!!!! Marcel
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its kinda funny how the "newbs" come out when someone gets bashed. sounds like a bum deal to me.. "i've loved this forum for a long time" but only has 3 posts. Actually this reminds me alot of the JHC and everyone defending Jakub when they really didnt know what happened, of course its one thing to sell a POS deathtrap and its another to give out completely wrong advice that could lead to someones death...
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its kinda funny how the "newbs" come out when someone gets bashed. sounds like a bum deal to me.. "i've loved this forum for a long time" but only has 3 posts. Actually this reminds me alot of the JHC and everyone defending Jakub when they really didnt know what happened, of course its one thing to sell a POS deathtrap and its another to give out completely wrong advice that could lead to someones death...
i think we can all agree the "newbies" are forum members hiding behind another sign in.
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Wow Ton of Newbies..... Welcome to our Favorite Chat room... Glad you have been lurkers for so long and found a topic that touched your heart, Made you actually post... Great to see.... As you know I also hide behind a fake name Pointblank.... As you all know that is not my real name. There for I can talk about anyone I wish and know when I see them face to face they have know Idea I was the one bashing them.
I think James. Matt, and anyone using you real name should now get a new Identity, Because when you talk trash we will hunt you down and beat you. I have been away for a couple days now( Secret Location) So I have missed this latest Newbie entries... Had I been here, I would have sadi what everyone else was saying... You guys are too funny... We are all grown ups, here If you have an opinion about anything that differs, then speak up thus a forum, If there is no contriversy then why have a discussion forum????
Lets all be real, I think Refreshed Jive has learned a great lesson about our Community and about people in it. Most people take care of each other Human nature and some are bad apples, However there is more good in here than bad and that is why I am glad to be a member of this site. James has handled his getting ripped off with alot of class, He has put a ton of trust (and still is) into a guy who plainly ripped him off.
Good on ya James. He has only asked for help. I think I was the guy who started this whole thing as I had PM'ed and called him to make good. (Good thing nobody knows me)
And lastly I have never sold a car that was headed for the wreckers..as a good car,daily runner, Unfortunatly I have a heart, and I have a concience. I could not sleep at night know I have ripped someone off.. I guess it is also Karma, I believe so much in. I have bought and sold so uch stuff in my life ( as I like to wheel and deal) Yet I bet you would find it hard to find someone who said I have ripped them off (if you knew who I was that is)
that is my $144.39 USD( Cuz I like to get paid in USD)
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hey what about that t-shirt and the lousy hug?
oh wait those were free!
MIGHTY 45's FOREVER![/size][/font]
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Ive yet to receive my shirt or hug!!!! :(
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I haven't registered previously as I don't usually have time to post. So I suppose I am a newbie to posting but not the hobby. It is true that this thread does strike a chord as I have often wondered how long John could go doing what he does. I guess he was better off before the web, before people talked to each other and compared notes. One thing I forgot to mention if John is so cash strapped then why does he horsetrade so much. If he is noble and into the hobby for pure reasons then he should focus his sights on an affordable project not misleading people. The same people that are burning him on the forum would all help John if he was honest and needed help to enjoy the hobby(As evidenced on this board). So if I can sum it up, we all spend our time working for to little, being screwed by power, cable, phone, mortgage and taxes, the last place we want to get hooped is within our hobby. So John why don't you convince us why it is ok to scam instead of having your friends (or whoever you are ghia-san)come here and claim we are all scammers. If you can justify to me why you think it is ok to treat people like this then by all means respond as I am all ears.
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Well said...........
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Hey 71BUS, welcome aboard - you'll definatly fit in well here! Well said post!
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:P Well thats it I can't go to work anymore to much crap going down .
Outkast = Martin moore case anyone thought I was hiding :o I just like the nickname .
Well Shane KARMA KARM KARMA :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
YOU bet brother and it bites you in the ass ten fold :P
AND as for ghia hider do what you must but not very grown up ! If you have somethimg to say say it and claim it
Hey we all want to make new friends and learn new things , hopefully this is just a bump in the road .GOOD LUCK JAMES live and learn tommorrow is another day and you seem to have made some new friends , and john change is hard but the rewards are great think about it ? and if there is something left out fill us in
Outkast
Have a good night :)
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hey what about that t-shirt and the lousy hug?
oh wait those were free!
MIGHTY 45's FOREVER![/size][/font]
My hugs are not lousy....
Best there ever were
T-shirts....You guys know where I live stop on by...
You can ride my Chopper!!! OCC Baby IN Da house
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Just a thought........... From a legal stand point. Why doesn't he go after John? I know the whole back dated sale is the hump but if he paid for the car by cheque............... He'll have a date on in as well as when the money came out of an account if he paid cash. It shouldn't be too hard to convince ICBC to believe him. The evidence will tell the tale. .02
Mo
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If there was anything in writing that the car was sold " as is " James is hooped. Marcel
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k, so i figured i should try and use my powers for good not evil, so i put in a call about this...
essentially, because it was a private sale, icbc's position is that it's buyer beware. so while it may be dodgy, there's nothing under provincial legislation that would enable icbc to do anything. had it been a sale through a dealership, there's more recourse available. the only thing that would have enabled james to undo this scam would have been to allow the 10-day required registration period to pass. that would, on icbc's end, made the transaction null and void.
i'm assuming, tho, that the 10 days are long gone. that really sucks, as the only recourse left is small claims court. here's the 411 on small claims according to the provincial gov't, fyi for everyone...
Small Claims Court
Small claims court is a court of law, but it's not designed for lawyers. It's meant to be a "do-it-yourself" kind of court, where ordinary people can handle their own cases, whichever side they're on.
Small claims court is a place where people can go to settle their differences in cases worth anywhere up to $10,000.
It has less formal and less complicated rules and procedures than Supreme Court. For example, the forms you use in small claims court are the "fill-in-the-blank" type.
If you're thinking of making a claim in small claims court, or if you're already involved in a case, this booklet is for you. It answers questions about the court, and it describes what happens in an ordinary small claims court case. Even if you do hire a lawyer to represent you, it is helpful to know what to expect.
For more information about any of the steps along the way, see the other booklets in this series - they're listed at the back of this booklet. For answers to particular problems or questions not covered, ask at a small claims court registry near you, or read the small claims court rules.
Do I have to know "legal language"?
No. There aren't many legal words you'll have to know to find your way around small claims court, but there are a few. Here are the main ones:
* The claimant is the person who makes a claim in small claims court.
* The notice of claim is the form the claimant uses to make the claim.
* The defendant is the person who is being sued - the one the claim is made against.
* The reply is the form the defendant uses to answer the notice of claim.
* Serving a document means getting it to another person in whatever way the law requires.
What kinds of cases go to small claims court?
As you'd expect, the cases that come to this court* involve smaller amounts of money than in Supreme Court. The highest amount that the claimant can sue for is $10,000.
This includes all claims listed on the notice of claim, no matter how many defendants there are, and it includes the value of any goods that the claimant is asking for.
It does not include any interest or expenses that the claimant might be entitled to. (The expenses that anyone can claim in small claims court are quite limited - in many cases they amount to no more than the filing fee and the cost of document service.)
There are some kinds of cases that cannot be handled in small claims court, no matter how little money is involved. Landlord and tenant cases, for example, as well as libel and slander suits and cases involving the title to land cannot be tried in small claims court.
Some cases have had an order made in another court and the orders are filed in the small claims court to collect the outstanding debt. These might include an order for restitution made in a criminal court or an unpaid fine owing to a municipality, province or the federal government. In these cases creditors file the judgment in the small claims court so that they can use any of the available enforcement options to collect the debt.
step-by-step instructions on how to file a claim are available
here (http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/civil/smallclaims/index.htm)
hope that helps some.
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I leave for one week and all hell breaks loose! I did not realize that I was so important!!!!!
I have read all this stuff that has happened and I just want to say some things.
This is to Refreshed jive, I totally respect you for understanding your situation!
If you need any help at all or parts PM me!!
As for the rest of us on this board, The kid has learned a lesson and is in the right hands now, As for John... the damage has been done, I just want all who are mad and fighting to realize that this is what this board is for! Lets stop talking about "John" before poeple start leaving this great place that we have. Their are always going to be poeple who like one person aposed to the other and thats what opions are for, Having the ability to share them with others. But there is a point where it should end, the kid is getting a car, lots of good free work, Hans will point him in the right direction and he has learned a valuble lesson,
As for john, well, The damage has been done. Draw your own conclusion from these discussions.
And as for the rest of use on both sides, Where is the love?
Enuf has been said, We all are on the same side! Cheers!!
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I leave for one week and all hell breaks loose! I did not realize that I was so important!!!!!
I have read all this stuff that has happened and I just want to say some things.
This is to Refreshed jive, I totally respect you for understanding your situation!
If you need any help at all or parts PM me!!
As for the rest of us on this board, The kid has learned a lesson and is in the right hands now, As for John... the damage has been done, I just want all who are mad and fighting to realize that this is what this board is for! Lets stop talking about "John" before poeple start leaving this great place that we have. Their are always going to be poeple who like one person aposed to the other and thats what opions are for, Having the ability to share them with others. But there is a point where it should end, the kid is getting a car, lots of good free work, Hans will point him in the right direction and he has learned a valuble lesson,
As for john, well, The damage has been done. Draw your own conclusion from these discussions.
And as for the rest of use on both sides, Where is the love?
Enuf has been said, We all are on the same side! Cheers!!
Hey Saw your Dad Friday night... How did you do... remind me never to sword fight with you...
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I killed lots!! And drank more!